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1 Technical Committee on Water Spray Fixed Systems () M E M O R A N D U M DATE: August 21, 2015 TO: FROM: and Members of the Technical Committee on Water Spray Fixed Systems () Chad Duffy, NFPA Staff Liaison Office: (617) cduffy@nfpa.org SUBJECT: AGENDA NFPA 15 Second Draft Meeting (Annual 2016) Enclosed is the agenda for the Second Draft meeting for NFPA 15, Standard for Water Spray Fixed Systems for fire Protection, which will be held via conference call/adobe connect 11:00am to 3:00pm ET on Wednesday September 9, Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting, and notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any first revisions at the meeting. All NFPA Technical Committee meetings are open to the public. Please contact me for information on attending a meeting as a guest. Read NFPA's Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards (Section ) for further information. Additional Meeting Information: See the Meeting Notice on the Document Information Page ( for meeting location details. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact Elena Carroll, Project Administrator at or by ecarroll@nfpa.org. C. Standards Administration Page 1 of 5
2 Technical Committee on Water Spray Fixed Systems () NFPA 15 Second Draft Meeting (Annual 2016) Wednesday, Sept.9, :00am 3:00 pm ET Conference Call/Adobe Connect 1. Call to Order 11:00 AM ET 2. Introductions and Attendance 3. Review Agenda AGENDA Wednesday, September 9, NFPA Staff Liaison Presentation and Review of Key Dates in Current Cycle 5. Chairman Comments 6. Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes 7. Presentation on Flammable Vapor Mitigation Bernard Leong, Chief Fire Protection Engineer with Chevron Energy Technology Company 8. Task Group Reports a. Protection of steel columns b. Pipe stands 9. Act on Public Comments for NFPA New business 11. Adjourn Meeting Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting. Please notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any second revisions at the meeting. Page 2 of 5
3 Technical Committee on Water Spray Fixed Systems () NFPA 15 Second Draft Meeting (Annual 2016) Wednesday, Sept.9, :00am 3:00 pm ET Conference Call/Adobe Connect Key Dates for the Annual 2016 Revision Cycle Public Input Closing Date July 7, 2014 Final Date for First Draft Meeting December 12, 2014 Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot January 30, 2015 Ballots Returned By February 20, 2015 Post Final First Draft March 6, 2015 Comment Closing Date May 15, 2015 Final Date for Second Draft Meeting October 30, 2015 Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot December 11, 2015 Ballots Returned By January 4, 2016 Posting Final Second Draft January 18, 2016 Closing Date for Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) February 19, 2016 Issuance of Consent Document (No NITMAMs) May 13, 2016 NFPA Annual Meeting June 13-16, 2016 Issuance of Document with NITMAM August 4, 2016 Technical Committee deadlines are in bold. Page 3 of 5
4 Technical Committee on Water Spray Fixed Systems () NFPA 15 Second Draft Meeting (Annual 2016) Wednesday, Sept.9, :00am 3:00 pm ET Conference Call/Adobe Connect Meeting Preparation Committee members are strongly encouraged to review the published Comments prior to the meeting and to be prepared to act on each item. Handout materials should be submitted to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting. Only one posting of the comments will be made; it will be arranged in section/order and will be pre-numbered. This will be posted to the NFPA Document information pages located at If you have trouble accessing the website please contact Elena Carroll at Mandatory Materials: Last edition of the standard Meeting agenda Public input/comments Committee Officers' Guide (Chairs) Roberts Rules of Order (Chairs; An abbreviated version may be found in the Committee Officer s Guide) Optional Materials: NFPA Annual Directory NFPA Manual of Style Prepared committee input/comments (If applicable) Regulations and Guiding Documents All committee members are expected to behave in accordance with the Guide for the Conduct of Participants in the NFPA Codes and Standards Development Process. All actions during and following the committee meetings will be governed in accordance with the Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards. Failure to comply with these regulations could result in challenges to the standards-making process. A successful challenge on procedural grounds could prevent or delay publication of the document. The style of the document must comply with the Manual of Style for NFPA Technical Committee Documents. Page 4 of 5
5 Technical Committee on Water Spray Fixed Systems () NFPA 15 Second Draft Meeting (Annual 2016) Wednesday, Sept.9, :00am 3:00 pm ET Conference Call/Adobe Connect General Procedures for Meetings Use of tape recorders or other means capable of producing verbatim transcriptions of any NFPA Committee Meeting is not permitted. Attendance at all NFPA Committee Meetings is open. All guests must sign in and identify their affiliation. Participation in NFPA Committee Meetings is generally limited to committee members and NFPA staff. Participation by guests is limited to individuals, who have received prior approval from the chair to address the committee on a particular item, or who wish to speak regarding public input or comments that they submitted. The chairman reserves the right to limit the amount of time available for any presentation. No interviews will be allowed in the meeting room at any time, including breaks. All attendees are reminded that formal votes of committee members will be secured by letter ballot. Voting at this meeting is used to establish a sense of agreement, but only the results of the formal letter ballot will determine the official action of the committee. Note to Special Experts: Particular attention is called to Section 3.3(e) of the NFPA Guide for the Conduct of Participants in the NFPA Codes and Standards Development Process in the NFPA Directory. This section requires committee members to declare any interest they may represent, other than their official designation as shown on the committee roster. This typically occurs when a special expert is retained by and represents another interest category on a particular subject. If such a situation exists on a specific issue or issues, the committee member shall declare those interests to the committee and refrain from voting on any action relating to those issues. Page 5 of 5
6 NEW PROCESS ACTIONS AND MOTIONS Possible Action #1: Accept Public Comment (exactly as it is) Action Required Sample motion Create a Second Revision I move to create a Second Revision using PC #. Possible action #2: Reject but see (revise submitted text) Action Required Sample motion Step 1 Create a Second Revision based on a Public Comment I move to create a Second Revision based on PC # with the following changes to the text... Step 2 If the revision is related to multiple PCs, respond to all of them together using the cart function I move to create a Second Revision based on PC # and incorporating PC #s with the following changes to the text... Possible action #3: Reject (no change to the standard) Action Required Sample motion Generate a statement (substantiation) I move to reject PC # with the following substantiation... Possible Action #4: Reject but hold (new material) Action Required Sample motion Reject Public Comment for this cycle, but save for next revision cycle I move to reject PC # but hold it for consideration during the First Draft meeting next cycle.
7 Attachment #1: Previous Meeting Minutes
8 TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON WATER SPRAY FIXED SYSTEMS First Draft meeting LIVE MEETING + WEB MEETING November 20, 2014 The meeting was called to order by Committee Chair Kerry M. Bell, at 8:00 am Eastern time, November 20, 2014 Members Present: (P =, A = ) Kerry M. Bell, Chair Robert M. Gagnon, PE, Secretary, P Luis Arango, P Roland Asp, P Ralph E. Bless, P Kevin F. Carrier, P Harvey E. Goranson, P Scott Henderson, P Christy J. Marsolo, P Randall McCune, P David A. Moore, P E. Parks Moore, P Thomas Multer, P Roz Nielsen, P Larry W. Owen, P Richard Philbrick, P James R. Streit, P Jeffery Sutton, P Michael Wojcik, P Jarrett Zuspan, P Edward Kadlec, A Matt Pognant, A Terry L. Victor, A David R. Hague, Guest Chad Duffy, NFPA Liaison Self-Introductions of each member were conducted. Minutes from the ROC meeting of November 3rd, 2010 were reviewed, and there were no objections or corrections. Chad Duffy reviewed the 2014 Annual Revision Cycle and provided a staff presentation. Public Input was addressed by the committee. Old business and new business was addressed by the committee. A task group was formed to study the proposed changes to NFPA 13 relative to pipestands.(michael Wojcik (Chair), Terry Victor, Roland Asp, Ralph Bliss, & Parks Moore)
9 A task group was formed to study column protection. (Jeff Sutton (Chair), Michael Wojcik, Roland Asp, Terry Victor, & Parks Moore) Committee Chair Kerry Bell adjourned the meeting at 12:05 PM Eastern time. Respectfully submitted, Robert M. Gagnon, PE Committee Secretary
10 Attachment #2: Public Comments
11 National Fire Protection Association Report Public Comment No. 5-NFPA [ Chapter 2 ] Chapter 2 Referenced Publications 2.1 General. The documents or portions thereof listed in this chapter are referenced within this standard and shall be considered part of the requirements of this document. 2.2 NFPA Publications. National Fire Protection Association, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems, 2016 edition. NFPA 20, Standard for the Installation of Stationary Pumps for Fire Protection, 2016 edition. NFPA 22, Standard for Water Tanks for Private Fire Protection, 2013 edition. NFPA 24, Standard for the Installation of Private Fire Service Mains and Their Appurtenances, 2016 edition. NFPA 25, Standard for the Inspection, Testing, and Maintenance of Water-Based Fire Protection Systems, 2017 edition. NFPA 51B, Standard for Fire Prevention During Welding, Cutting, and Other Hot Work, 2014 edition. NFPA 70, National Electrical Code, 2017 edition. NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code, 2016 edition. NFPA 1963, Standard for Fire Hose Connections, 2014 edition. 2.3 Other Publications ASME Publications. American Society of Mechanical Engineers ASME International, Two Park Avenue, New York, NY ASME B1.20.1, Pipe Threads, General Purpose, ASME B16.1, Gray Iron Pipe Flanges and Flanged Fittings, ASME B16.3, Malleable Iron Threaded Fittings Classes 150 and 300, ASME B16.4, Gray Iron Threaded Fittings Classes 125 and 250, ASME B16.5, Pipe Flanges and Flanged Fittings, ASME B16.9, Factory-Made Wrought Steel Buttwelding Fittings, ASME B16.11, Forged Fittings, Socket-Welding and Threaded, ASME B16.18, Cast Copper Alloy Solder Joint Pressure Fittings, ASME B16.22, Wrought Copper and Copper Alloy Solder Joint Pressure Fittings, ASME B16.25, Buttwelding Ends, ASME B36.10M, Welded and Seamless Wrought Steel Pipe, 2004, reapproved ASME B36.19, Stainless Steel Pipe, 2004(R2010), reapproved Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code (BPVC), Section IX, Welding and, Brazing Qualifications, 2013 and Fusing Qualifications, of 13 6/9/2015 2:30 PM
12 National Fire Protection Association Report ASTM Publications. ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA ASTM A53/ A53M, Standard Specification for Pipe, Steel, Black and Hot-Dipped, Zinc-Coated, Welded and Seamless, ASTM A135/ A135M, Standard Specification for Electric-Resistance-Welded Steel Pipe, 2009, reapproved ASTM A182/ A182M, Standard Specification for Forged or Rolled Alloy-Steel Pipe Flanges, Forged Fittings, and Valves and Parts for High-Temperature Service, 2014b. ASTM A234/ A234M, Standard Specification for Piping Fittings of Wrought Carbon Steel and Alloy Steel for Moderate and High Temperature Service, ASTM A312/ A312M, Standard Specification for Seamless Welded and Heavily Cold Worked Austenitic Stainless Steel Pipes, ASTM A536, Standard Specification for Ductile Iron Castings, ASTM A795/A795M, Standard Specification for Black and Hot-Dipped Zinc-Coated (Galvanized) Welded and Seamless Steel Pipe for Fire Protection Use, ASTM B75/ B75M, Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Tube, ASTM B88, Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Water Tube, ASTM B251, Standard Specification for General Requirements for Wrought Seamless Copper and Copper-Alloy Tube, ASTM D323, Standard Test Method for Vapor Pressure of Petroleum Products (Reid Method), 2008, reapproved AWS Publications. American Welding Society, 8669 N. W. 36 Street, #130, Miami, FL AWS A5.8/A5.8M, Specification for Filler Metals for Brazing and Braze Welding, AWS B2.1/B2.1M, Specification for Welding Procedures and Performance Qualification, AWS B2.2/B.2.2M, Standard for Brazing Procedure and Performance Qualification, IEEE Publications. IEEE, Three Park Avenue, 17th Floor, New York, NY IEEE / SI-10, American National Standard For Metric Practice, IEEE C2, National Electrical Safety Code, Other Publications. Merriam-Webster s Collegiate Dictionary, 11th edition, Merriam-Webster, Inc., Springfield, MA, References for Extracts in Mandatory Sections. NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems, 2016 edition. NFPA 25, Standard for the Inspection, Testing, and Maintenance of Water-Based Fire Protection Systems, 2017 edition. NFPA 30, Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code, 2015 edition. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Updated SDO names, standard names, numbers, and editions. Related Item First Revision No. 1-NFPA [Chapter 2] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Aaron Adamczyk Organization: [ Not Specified ] of 13 6/9/2015 2:30 PM
13 National Fire Protection Association Report of /9/2015 2:30 PM Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Sat May 02 21:54:20 EDT 2015
14 National Fire Protection Association Report of /9/2015 2:30 PM Public Comment No. 6-NFPA [ Section No ] ASTM Publications. ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA ASTM A53M, Standard Specification for Pipe, Steel, Black and Hot-Dipped, Zinc-Coated, Welded and Seamless, ASTM A135M, Standard Specification for Electric-Resistance-Welded Steel Pipe, ASTM A182M, Standard Specification for Forged or Rolled Alloy-Steel Pipe Flanges, Forged Fittings, and Valves and Parts for High-Temperature Service, 2014b. ASTM A234M, Standard Specification for Piping Fittings of Wrought Carbon Steel and Alloy Steel for Moderate and High Temperature Service, ASTM A312M, Standard Specification for Seamless Welded and Heavily Cold Worked Austenitic Stainless Steel Pipes, ASTM A536, Standard Specification for Ductile Iron Castings, (2014). ASTM A795/A795M, Standard Specification for Black and Hot-Dipped Zinc-Coated (Galvanized) Welded and Seamless Steel Pipe for Fire Protection Use, ASTM B75M, Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Tube, ASTM B88, Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Water Tube, ASTM B251, Standard Specification for General Requirements for Wrought Seamless Copper and Copper-Alloy Tube, ASTM D323, Standard Test Method for Vapor Pressure of Petroleum Products (Reid Method), Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Standard number was missing and date needs updating Related Item First Revision No. 1-NFPA [Chapter 2] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: MARCELO HIRSCHLER Organization: GBH INTERNATIONAL Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon May 04 16:31:18 EDT 2015
15 National Fire Protection Association Report of /9/2015 2:30 PM Public Comment No. 7-NFPA [ Section No ] 3.3.2* Combustible Liquid. Any liquid that has a closed-cup flash point at or above 100 F (37.8 C), as determined by the appropriate test procedures and apparatus set forth in Section 4. 4 of NFPA 30. Combustible liquids are classified according to Section 4.3 of NFPA 30. [ 30, 2015] Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Definitions cannot contain requirements based on other codes, standards or regulations and the requirements must be in the body of the standard, per the NFPA Manual of Style. The committee's response that the definition proposed cannot be enforced is correct and that is the point: NFPA definitions are not enforceable, in accordance with NFPA regulations. A change in NFPA 30 would not solve the NFPA 15 issue. The enforceable part of this definition needs to be in the body of NFPA 15. This should not be an extract from NFPA 30 but needs to be resolved within NFPA 15. Related Public Comments for This Document Related Comment Public Comment No. 9-NFPA [New Section after 4.4] Related Item Public Input No. 25-NFPA [Section No ] Relationship Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: MARCELO HIRSCHLER Organization: GBH INTERNATIONAL Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon May 04 16:34:21 EDT 2015
16 National Fire Protection Association Report of /9/2015 2:30 PM Public Comment No. 8-NFPA [ Section No ] * Flammable Liquid. Any liquid that has a closed-cup flash point below 100 F (37.8 C), as determined by the appropriate test procedures and apparatus set forth in Section 4.4 of NFPA 30, and a Reid vapor pressure that does not exceed an absolute pressure of 40 psi (276 kpa) at 100 F (37.8 C), as determined by ASTM D323, Standard Test Method for Vapor Pressure of Petroleum Products (Reid Method). Flammable liquids are classified according to Section 4.3 of NFPA 30. [ 30, 2015] Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Definitions cannot contain requirements based on other codes, standards or regulations and the requirements must be in the body of the standard, per the NFPA Manual of Style. The committee's response that the definition proposed cannot be enforced is correct and that is the point: NFPA definitions are not enforceable, in accordance with NFPA regulations. A change in NFPA 30 would not solve the NFPA 15 issue. The enforceable part of this definition needs to be in the body of NFPA 15. This should not be an extract from NFPA 30 but needs to be resolved within NFPA 15. Related Public Comments for This Document Related Comment Public Comment No. 9-NFPA [New Section after 4.4] Related Item Public Input No. 26-NFPA [Section No ] Relationship Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: MARCELO HIRSCHLER Organization: GBH INTERNATIONAL Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon May 04 16:39:28 EDT 2015
17 National Fire Protection Association Report of /9/2015 2:30 PM Public Comment No. 9-NFPA [ New Section after 4.4 ] 4.5 Flammable and combustible liquids The test procedures and apparatus to assess whether a liquid is a flammable or combustible liquid are set forth in Section 4.4 of NFPA The Reid vapor pressure shall not exceed an absolute pressure of 40 psi (276 kpa) at 100 F (37.8 C), as determined by ASTM D323, Standard Test Method for Vapor Pressure of Petroleum Products (Reid Method) Flammable and combustible liquids shall be classified according to Section 4.3 of NFPA 30. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment This added section resolves the issue of the definitions within Chapter 3 that contain requirements coming from NFPA 30. It contains all the requirements needed by NFPA 15. Related Public Comments for This Document Related Comment Public Comment No. 7-NFPA [Section No ] Public Comment No. 8-NFPA [Section No ] Related Item Public Input No. 25-NFPA [Section No ] Public Input No. 26-NFPA [Section No ] Relationship Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: MARCELO HIRSCHLER Organization: GBH INTERNATIONAL Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon May 04 16:42:03 EDT 2015
18 National Fire Protection Association Report of /9/2015 2:30 PM Public Comment No. 10-NFPA [ New Section after ] Component parts for which a listing is unavailable may be utilized if their required performance individually and within assembly is analyzed and verified by a fire protection engineer or other qualified design professional acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction, provided the unlisted component is also found to be acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment This was originally submitted as Public Input #18. The Technical Committee did not use this for any First Revisions and reasoned that the equivalency section could be used to accomplish the goal. But this isn t about equivalency. It is about whether a product functions or serves a purpose outside of its listing. For example, jurisdictions are allowing the use of a sidewall sprinkler beneath an open joist deck where the listing was only for smooth ceilings. Such use outside the listing requires judgment (and liability) from a design professional and approval by the AHJ. Also, Section was noted by the Technical Committee as addressing this issue, which it does not. Section addresses components that don t need to be listed; this public comment is about using components that are part of the system operation. Related Item Public Input No. 18-NFPA [New Section after ] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Jim Muir Organization: Building Safety Division, Clark County, WA Affilliation: NFPA's Building Code Development Committee (BCDC) Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Tue May 05 13:45:40 EDT 2015
19 National Fire Protection Association Report of /9/2015 2:30 PM Public Comment No. 4-NFPA [ Sections , ] Sections , * Vertical Structural Steel. Vertical structural steel members shall be protected by nozzles and piping of such size and arrangement as to systems designed specifically to protect such members, that incorporate fixed water systems or additional discharge deivces as an extension of an overhead system and discharge a net rate of not less than 0.25 gpm/ft 2 [10.2 (L/min)/m 2 ] over the wetted area. (See Overspray from overhead sprinklers to protect columns shall not be permitted. A The design of vertical structural steel protection systems should take into account factors such as the shape of the column, wetting of the lower sprinklers, obstructions, and type of discharge devices. The locations of the nozzles should preferably be on alternate sides of the vertical structural steel Nozzles shall be directed toward the wetted surface of the column (see Figure ) Distances between discharge devices vertically shall not exceed 10 ft. on center with each alternate nozzle located on the opposite side of the column. A Nozzles should be located on opposite sides of the column with every other nozzle on the opposite side. This will result in an arrangement such than the nozzles on one side alone will be 20 ft. apart, but all nozzles 10 ft. apart Nozzles shall extend the full length of the column, or until a fire rated barrier is reached Discharge devices for the protection of columns within the remote area of the overhead sprinkler systems shall be included in the calculations for the overhead system. [409: ] Vertical structural steel that has been encased in fire-resistant insulating material to provide a level of fire resistance acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction shall not require water spray protection. A Fire resistance should be obtained using listed materials and methods and provide a fire-resistive rating of not less than 2 hours. In the event that the vertical structural steel member is protected by fire-resistant materials, the fire-resistant materials should be of a type that resists damage from discharge of the fixed fire protection system. Additional Proposed Changes File Name Description Approved Steel_Column_Protection_Proposal_r5.docx Proposed Changes for Nozzle Location Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment NFPA 15 currently provides no guidance on where to locate the spray nozzles when protecting vertical steel columns with water spray. This proposal would do that. Related Item Public Input No. 15-NFPA [New Section after ] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: JEFFERY SUTTON Organization: GLOBAL RISK CONSULTANTS CORPOR Street Address:
20 National Fire Protection Association Report 0 of 13 6/9/2015 2:30 PM City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Fri Apr 24 10:07:55 EDT 2015
21 Steel Column Protection Nozzle Placement Task Group Vertical Structural Steel. Vertical structural steel members shall be protected by systems designed specifically to protect such members, that incorporate fixed water systems or additional discharge devices as an extension of an overhead system and discharge a net rate of not less than 0.25 gpm/ft^2 [ 10.2(L/min)/m^2] over the wetted area. Overspray from overhead sprinklers to protect columns shall not be permitted. A The design of vertical structural steel protection systems should take into account factors such as the shape of the column, wetting of the lower sprinklers, obstructions, and type of discharge device. The locations of the nozzles should preferably be on alternate sides of the vertical structural steel Nozzles shall be directed toward the wetted surface of the column (see Figure ) Distances between discharge devices vertically shall not exceed 10 ft. on center with each alternate nozzle located on the opposite side of the column. A Nozzles should be located on opposite sides of the column with every other nozzle on the opposite side. This will result in an arrangement such than the nozzles on one side alone will be 20 ft. apart, but all nozzles 10 ft. apart Nozzles shall extend the full length of the column, or until a fire rated barrier is reached Discharge devices for the protection of columns within the remote area of the overhead sprinkler systems shall be included in the calculations for the overhead system. [409: ] Vertical structural steel that has been encased in fire-resistant insulating material to provide a level of fire resistance acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction shall not require water spray protection. A Fire resistance should be obtained using listed materials and methods and provide a fire-resistive rating of not less than 2 hours. In the event that the vertical structural steel member is protected by fire-resistant materials, the fire-resistant materials should be of a type that resists damage from discharge of the fixed fire protection system.
22 National Fire Protection Association Report 1 of 13 6/9/2015 2:30 PM Public Comment No. 11-NFPA [ Section No ] Deviation from approved plans shall require written permission of the authority by the design professional of the revised plans and approval by the authority having jurisdiction. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment This submits the revision proposed by Public Input #20. The Technical Committee did not use Public Input #20 in a First Revision and reasoned that not every project would have a design professional. We believe there would be almost all projects involving a water spray fixed system would be designed and installed with a design professional. Section requires Water spray fixed systems shall be specifically designed to provide for effective fire control, extinguishment, prevention, or exposure protection. Somebody must design the system. It may not be a registered design professional as required by some codes, but it most likely will be a NICET certified design professional, an example of an acceptable certification credentialing the design professional. The reason for Public Input #20 is highlighted by Annex A to section which further states The design of specific systems can vary considerably, depending on the nature of the hazard and the basic purposes of protection. Because of these variations and the wide choice in the characteristics of spray nozzles, these systems should be competently designed, installed, and maintained. It should be essential that their limitations, as well as their capabilities, be thoroughly understood by the designer... Clearly, a field change in the approved design could significantly impair the performance of the system. This proposed change intends to protect the integrity of the design of the system. Related Item Public Input No. 20-NFPA [Section No ] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Jim Muir Organization: Building Safety Division, Clark County, WA Affilliation: NFPA's Building Code Development Committee (BCDC) Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Tue May 05 13:51:53 EDT 2015
23 National Fire Protection Association Report 2 of 13 6/9/2015 2:30 PM Public Comment No. 12-NFPA [ New Section after ] TITLE OF NEW CONTENT Replace with the following statement, and move to a Choke the system isolation valve, until the most remote nozzle pressure reading corresponds with the hydraulic calculations most remote nozzle pressure. Record the pressure at the system actuation valve, it must correspond or be less than the hydraulic calculations. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Just checking the most remote nozzle pressure is not sufficient because most deluge systems are hydraulically calculated with supplementary protection with monitors or hose streams. Therefore, if the system is tested without the activation of the supplementary fire water flow, the pressure will obviously be higher and give the AHJ a false sense that the system complies with the hydraulic calculations. Choking the valve to meet the hydraulic calculations will ensure that the fixed water spray system can delivery sufficient fire water when other appurtenances are simultaneously in use. Related Public Comments for This Document Related Comment Public Comment No. 13-NFPA [New Section after ] Related Item Public Input No. 12-NFPA [Section No ] Relationship Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: BERNARD LEONG Organization: CHEVRON ENERGY TECHNOLOGY COMP Affilliation: Fire Protection Engineering Team Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Wed May 06 16:31:21 EDT 2015
24 National Fire Protection Association Report 3 of 13 6/9/2015 2:30 PM Public Comment No. 13-NFPA [ New Section after ] TITLE OF NEW CONTENT Change this statement to Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Propose to be used for testing deluge system to correspond with the hydraulic calculations. Related Public Comments for This Document Related Comment Public Comment No. 12-NFPA [New Section after ] Related Item Public Input No. 13-NFPA [Section No ] Relationship Move the existing statement down Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: BERNARD LEONG Organization: CHEVRON ENERGY TECHNOLOGY COMP Affilliation: Fire Protection Engineering Team Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Wed May 06 17:07:43 EDT 2015
25 Attachment #3: Committee Roster
26 Address List No Phone Water Spray Fixed Systems 08/20/2015 Chad Duffy Kerry M. Bell Chair UL LLC 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook, IL : Jeff Hebenstreit RT 4/15/2004 Robert M. Gagnon Secretary Gagnon Engineering 2660 Daisy Road Woodbine, MD SE 7/1/1993 Luis F. Arango Global Asset Protection Services Shallow Glen Lane Katy, TX : Kenneth W. Linder I 08/09/2012 Roland A. Asp National Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc. 40 Jon Barrett Road Patterson, NY National Fire Sprinkler Association Contractor/Installer : Edward F. Kadlec IM 07/29/2013 Ralph E. Bless, Jr. Telgian Corporation 900 Circle 75 Parkway, Suite 680 Atlanta, GA : Tracey D. Bellamy SE 10/27/2009 Kevin F. Carrier Miami-Dade Fire Rescue Department Fire Prevention Division Fire Engineering & Water Supply Bureau SW 26th Street, Suite 150 Miami, FL E 7/14/2004 Gary A. Fadorsen Pyrotech International Inc Stony Hill Road PO Box 76 Hinckley, OH IM 7/1/1996 Brian E. Fisher Road Sprinkler Fitters LU Woodside Drive Richmond, IN United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of the Plumbing & Pipe Fitting Industry : Gregory A. Bartels L 08/09/2012 Harvey E. Goranson UT-Batelle at Oak Ridge National Lab 1 Bethel Valley Road, MS6424 PO Box 2008 Oak Ridge, TN U 1/1/1988 Scott D. Henderson Fireman s Fund Insurance Company 7 Hilltop Farm Road Auburn, MA : Robert V. Scholes I 7/14/2004 James M. Maddry James M. Maddry, P.E Foxfire Place Martinez, GA SE 1/1/1991 Christy J. Marsolo Tyco/SimplexGrinnell Darice Parkway, Suite A Strongville, OH : Terry L. Victor M 1/1/1992 1
27 Address List No Phone Water Spray Fixed Systems 08/20/2015 Chad Duffy Randall A. McCune Tri-State Fire Protection, Inc Oak Grove Road Newburgh, IN IM 3/1/2011 David A. Moore, Jr. Glendale Fire Department 30 Village Square Glendale, OH E 10/6/2000 E. Parks Moore S & S Sprinkler Company, LLC PO Box 7453 Mobile, AL American Fire Sprinkler Association : John F. Viola IM 11/2/2006 Thomas L. Multer Reliable Automatic Sprinkler Company, Inc Smith Grove Road Liberty, SC National Fire Sprinkler Association Manufacturer : Michael J. Bosma M 1/18/2001 Roz Nielsen BC Hydro 6911 Southpoint Drive Burnaby, BC V3N 4X8 Canada U 10/27/2009 Thomas A. Noble City of Henderson, Building & Fire Safety Floragold Court Las Vegas, NV E 3/21/2006 Larry W. Owen Dooley Tackaberry, Inc West 13th Street PO Box 9700 Deer Park, TX : Darren Lee Hance IM 10/1/1999 Justin A. Perry Dominion 701 East Cary, 4th Floor Richmond, VA Edison Electric Institute : Bruce J. Curatola U 04/08/2015 Richard Philbrick Shell Oil Company Shell Technology Center Houston 3333 Highway 6 South Houston, TX American Petroleum Institute : James A. Masingh U 08/11/2014 Matt Pognant Liberty Mutual Property 2725 Ivy Brook Lane Buford, GA : Michael W. Hembree I 8/5/2009 Edward A. Ramirez Chicago Bridge Iron Company South Blue Hyacinth Drive Cypress, TX SE 4/17/2002 James R. Streit Los Alamos National Laboratory PO Box 1663, Mail Stop K493 Los Alamos, NM U 7/1/1994 Jeffery W. Sutton Global Risk Consultants Corporation 350 Highway 7, Suite 220 Excelsior, MN SE 7/28/2006 2
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