MEMORANDUM. SUBJ: NFPA 72 Proposed TIA No FINAL CC BALLOT RESULTS
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1 National Fire Protection Association 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA Phone: Fax: MEMORANDUM TO: FROM: NFPA Correlating Committee on Signaling Systems for the Protection of Life and Property Kimberly Shea, Administrator, Technical Projects DATE: July 1, 2015 SUBJ: NFPA 72 Proposed TIA No FINAL CC BALLOT RESULTS There WERE NO changes to the ballot results after the circulation of the received Public Comment(s). According to 5.6(b) in the NFPA Regs, the final results show this TIA HAS NOT achieved the ¾ majority vote needed on both Question 1 (Correlating Issues) and Question 2 (Emergency Nature). 20 Eligible to Vote 2 Not Returned (J. Fannin, L. Fiore) Correlating Issues: Emergency Nature: 1 Abstentions (A. Black) 1 Abstentions (A. Black) 12 Agree 4 Agree (w/comment: V. Humm) 5 Disagree (A. Berezowski, V. Humm, R. Schifiliti, T. Smith, J. Van Keuren) 13 Disagree (D. Aiken, A. Berezowski, B. Fraser, F. Leber, J. Ludden, J. Mundy, L. Nielson, T. Parrish, R. Reiswig, R. Schifiliti, L. Shudak, T. Smith, J. Van Keuren) There are two criteria necessary to pass ballot [(1) simple majority (2) affirmative ¾ vote]. Both questions must pass ballot in order to recommend that the Standards Council issue this TIA. (1) In all cases, an affirmative vote of at least a simple majority of the total membership eligible to vote is required. 20 eligible 2 = 10 (2) The number of affirmative votes needed to satisfy the ¾ requirement is eligible to vote - 2 not returned - 1 abstentions = = = 13 The Regs at (c) state: An appeal relating to a proposed Tentative Interim Amendment that has been submitted for processing pursuant to Section 5.2 shall be filed no later than 5 days after the notice of the TIA final ballot results are published in accordance with Attachments
2 CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the Proposed 2016 Edition of NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with and (copy enclosed) of the NFPA Regs. X AGREE DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. AGREE X DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. The referenced IEEE standards were available in 2010 and There is no justification to support the introduction of these IEEE standards in NFPA 72 without the opportunity to allow the technical committees to provide input on the effect of adopting these requirements. Signature Name (Please Print) Date Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA FAX: (617) jdepew@nfpa.org
3 CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the Proposed 2016 Edition of NFP A 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with and (copy enclosed) of the NFP A Regs. AGREE X. DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. There are a number of errors in the material provided. For example, the definition of a battery conflicts with the definition of a Primary (Dry) Cell. 9 volt alkaline batteries are made up of six 1.5 volt cells. In addition, the definitions for Primary Battery (Dry Cell), and Power Supply are fundamental definitions and not exclusive to SIG-TMS and the remaining proposed new definitions should be considered by SIG FUN as well. Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. AGREE X DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. NFPA and the NFPA draft require a 20% safety margin to the calculated AH rating of the secondary power supply. The submitter has not provided evidence that installed systems are presently unable to provide the required secondary capacity if installed and maintained in accordance with NFP A 72. The technical content of the proposed TIA should be evaluated by the appropriate technical committet'?, Auring the normal code revision cycle. // I t:j1 /L-- ~ p'/ /-- tsignature Andrew G. Berezowski Date 6/11115 Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA FAX: (617) jdepew@nfpa.org
4 Depew, Jenny From: Art Black Sent: Friday, June 12, :56 AM To: Depew, Jenny Subject: RE: REMINDER ACTION REQUIRED: Correlating BALLOT #1: NFPA 72 TIA Log No Jenny I am in Europe with limited access to internet and no facilities for printing. Please record my votes as follows: 1188 Correlating Abstain There has been insufficient time to research such a lengthy proposal to determine whether there are any correlation issues. Some of the comments indicate there may be some correlation issues Emergency Nature Abstain Again, there has been insufficient time to completely research the lengthy proposal. On first scan, it seems that there is way too much in the proposal to be appropriate for a TIA. This looks like something that needs to have full technical committee action and discussion Correlating Abstain There has been insufficient time to research such a lengthy proposal to determine whether there are any correlation issues. Some of the comments indicate there may be some correlation issues Emergency Nature Abstain Again, there has been insufficient time to completely research the lengthy proposal. On first scan, it seems that there is way too much in the proposal to be appropriate for a TIA. This looks like something that needs to have full technical committee action and discussion. Art Art Black Carmel Fire Protection Associates Box 7168 Carmel by the Sea CA USA (831) MAyfair art@carmelfire.com Current Location Munich, Germany From: Depew, Jenny [mailto:jdepew@nfpa.org] Sent: 10 June :31 To: Depew, Jenny Cc: Roux, Richard Subject: REMINDER ACTION REQUIRED: Correlating BALLOT #1: NFPA 72 TIA Log No Importance: High Correlating Committee Members, The NFPA 72 TIA No Ballot is due Tomorrow, June 11, 2015, by 11:59pm ET. There are twenty members eligible to vote but only seven members have cast their votes. Copies of the preliminary results of the TC balloting (SIG FUN, SIG PRS, & SIG TMS) are attached. 1
5 CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the Proposed 2016 Edition of NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with and (copy enclosed) of the NFPA Regs. X AGREE DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. AGREE X DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. There is no immediate need for this TIA and it should be handled by the TC process. Signature _Bruce Fraser Name (Please Print) _June 9, 2015 Date Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA FAX: (617) jdepew@nfpa.org
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7 CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the Proposed 2016 Edition of NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with and (copy enclosed) of the NFPA Regs. AGREE DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. AGREE DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. Signature Name (Please Print) Date Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA FAX: (617) jdepew@nfpa.org
8 CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the Proposed 2016 Edition of NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with and (copy enclosed) of the NFPA Regs. X AGREE DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. AGREE X DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. Insufficient justification Signature FRED LEBER June 9,2015 Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA FAX: (617) jdepew@nfpa.org
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10 CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the Proposed 2016 Edition of NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with and (copy enclosed) of the NFPA Regs. X AGREE DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. AGREE DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. There does not appear in any situation substantiation that the requested changes are emergency in nature and are only reflective of routine testing procedures proposed in the technical language.. Signature James M. Mundy, Jr. Name (Please Print) 9 June 2015 Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA FAX: (617) jdepew@nfpa.org
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14 CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the Proposed 2016 Edition of NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with and (copy enclosed) of the NFPA Regs. X AGREE DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. AGREE X DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. There does not seem to be a compelling reason to implement the new requirements outside of the normal cycle. We ve had the existing requirements for a long time and although this is an improvement there is not a crushing problem that needs to be resolved out of the normal committee review process. Signature _Rodger Reiswig Name (Please Print) _June 8, 2015 Date Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator
15 CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the 2016 Edition of NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with and (copy enclosed) of the NFPA Regs. AGREE xx DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. This material should be debated by the full committees. The material affects several TCs that have not had the opportunity to meet and discuss the impact. Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. AGREE xx DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. This material is replacing text that has been in the code for a long time. If it is debated by the full committee and passes, it might then be a TIA for the immediate past edition. Signature Robert Schifiliti Name (Please Print) Date Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA FAX: (617) jdepew@nfpa.org
16 CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the Proposed 2016 Edition of NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with and (copy enclosed) of the NFPA Regs. X AGREE DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. AGREE X DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. Not aware of field data to support the emergency nature. Signature Larry Shudak Name (Please Print) June 11, 2015_ Date Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA FAX: (617) jdepew@nfpa.org
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