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1 1. CALL TO ORDER/WELCOME MEETING MINUTES NFPA Technical Committee on Cultural Resources NFPA 914 First Draft Meeting APRIL 23-24, 2013 Royal British Columbia Museum Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Don Moeller called the meeting to order at 8:35 am. He welcomed the committee to Victoria and thanked Nick Artim for organizing the meeting. Nick Artim said the committee scheduled a meeting at the museum in 1997, but a fire in the museum caused the meeting to move to the Empress Hotel. 2. SELF INTRODUCTION OF MEMBERS The committee completed self-introductions. TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT NAME Donald Moeller, Chair Cindy Greczek, Principal, Acting Secretary Clare Ray Allshouse, Principal Nick Artim, Principal Eileen Brady, Principal Grant Crosby, Principal Laura Doyle, Principal Wilbur Faulk, Principal Deborah Freeland, Principal A.M. Fred Leber, Principal Thomas Norton, Principal Sheila Palmer, Principal James Antell, Alternate to Martin Reiss Joseph Dafin, Alternate to Laura Doyle Scott Franson, Alternate to Russell Fleming Daniel Hubert, Alternate to Steve Carter Richard Luongo, Alternate to Sheila Palmer Russell Leavitt, Nonvoting Member Gregory Harrington, Staff Liaison REPRESENTING The Fire Consultants, Inc. Rep. California State Historical Building Safety Board Colonial Williamsburg Foundation City of Shoreline, Washington Fire-Safety Network Washington State University US Department of the Interior US General Services Administration Pepperdine University Arthur J. Gallagher & Company Leber/Rubes Inc. (LRI) Norel Service Company, Inc. Rep. Automatic Fire Alarm Association, Inc. Chubb & Son Insurance Company The RJA Group, Inc. US General Services Administration The Viking Corporation Rep. National Fire Sprinkler Association Janus Fire Systems Rep. Fire Suppression Systems Association Chubb & Son Insurance Company Telgian Corporation Rep. TC on Sprinkler System Discharge Criteria National Fire Protection Association TECHNICAL COMMITTEE PRINCIPAL MEMBERS NOT PRESENT (NOT LISTED WHERE ALTERNATE ATTENDED) NAME Michael Coull, Secretary REPRESENTING Heritage Fire and Safety Ltd. Rep. Historic Scotland CUL-AAA FIRST DRAFT MEETING MINUTES - APRIL 23-24, 2013 Page 1 of 5
2 John Chartier, Principal Robert Fisher, Principal Michael Kilby, Principal George Krabbe, Principal Nancy Lev Alexander, Principal Wayne Moore, Principal Kevin Morin, Principal Luca Nassi, Principal Daniel Nichols, Principal Milosh Puchovsky, Principal John Watts, Principal Robert Wilson, Principal Rhode Island State Fire Marshal Rep. National Association of State Fire Marshals FM Global Smithsonian Institution Halon Alternatives Research Corporation US Library of Congress Hughes Associates Inc. Code Consultants, Inc. Italian National Fire Department State of New York Department of State Worcester Polytechnic Institute Fire Safety Institute National Gallery of Art 3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 18-19, 2012 IN VENICE ITALY The minutes were approved as presented. 4. CHAIR S REPORT Grant Crosby replaces Steve Peterson as the principal representative from the US Department of the Interior, and Todd Neitzel continues to serve as the alternate representative. Steve Rocklin, formerly representing State of New York Department of State, is appointed as alternate to Nick Artim representing T.Y. Lin International. Don thanked Shelia Palmer for taking over for Steve Peterson as the task group chair for NFPA 914 Code for Fire Protection of Historic Structures. Don asked for volunteers to serve on the 909 task group and the following members volunteered: Debbie Freeland, Wilbur Faulk, Dan Hubert, Tom Norton, Fred Leber, Scott Franson and Cindy Greczek. Cindy said Danny McDaniel would also like to serve on the task group. Don thanked Cindy Greczek for volunteering to fill in as committee secretary since Mike Coull was unable to attend the meeting. 5. STAFF LIAISON S REPORT Greg Harrington conducted a training session and provided a booklet on the new NFPA standards development process, which included changes in terminology, process for requesting assistance from the Fire Protection Research Foundation, navigating the document info page and casting electronic ballots. Committee members are encouraged to familiarize themselves with the new regulations. Complete details on the new process are available at the NFPA website: 6. REVIEW SCHEDULE FOR FUTURE COMMITTEE MEETINGS September 24-25, 2013 (NFPA 914 Pre Second Draft Meeting). Tom Norton confirmed the meeting location will be the Maine Maritime Museum in Bath, Maine and will also include a tour of the Bath Shipyard. April 28 May 2, 2014 (NFPA 914 Second Draft Meeting). Fred Leber said he can arrange for a meeting facility in Kona Hawaii. CUL-AAA FIRST DRAFT MEETING MINUTES - APRIL 23-24, 2013 Page 2 of 5
3 Fall 2014 (NFPA 909 Pre-First Draft Meeting). The committee will ask Todd Neitzel to look into a meeting facility at Yellowstone or Grand Canyon National Park. Spring 2015 (NFPA 909 First Draft Meeting). Debbie Freeland suggested polling the committee members to identify future meeting facilities/locations. 7. NFPA 914 TASK GROUP REPORT Shelia Palmer, who replaced Steve Peterson as task group chair, provided an overview of the task group s work as follows: a new section on security, new annex material on historic districts, updates to reference documents and overall clarifying of language. Shelia presented the revisions made to Chapters 1 through 15 and Ray Allshouse presented the revisions made to Annex S. Ray added that the greatest risk to a historic district is fire, guidance is needed on how to set up a historic district and fire planning will follow. The committee reviewed the public input and created numerous First Revisions on NFPA 914. See the First Draft Report on the NFPA 914 document information page ( for the final actions. Shelia also provided copies of the Secretary of the Interior s Standards for the Treatment of Historic Properties to all committee members. 8. PORTABLE FIRE EXTINGUISHER AGENT TASK GROUP REPORT Cindy Greczek confirmed that the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation submitted the grant application to the Institute for Museum and Library Services (IMLS) in January 2013 and received confirmation from IMLS the grant application was received and is being evaluated. An award decision from IMLS is expected fall of Cindy also said Colonial Williamsburg archaeological conservator Emily Williams is working on a paper to present at an International Council of Museums (ICOM) conference in 2014 should Colonial Williamsburg be awarded the grant. 9. PROTECTING OUR HERITAGE UPDATE Greg Harrington reported NFPA has a new product evaluation process and team that looked at Protecting Our Heritage as a for-sale product. The team decided there is not sufficient revenue potential considering the time, effort and expense it will take to produce this document. NFPA, however, will support the committee in making some version of Protecting Our Heritage available. One option might be to revise it as a white paper and post it on NFPA s website. Greg asked for volunteers to participate in a conference call with NFPA management to discuss this further. The committee suggested Cheryl Domnitch and Marilyn Kaplan be involved and Shelia Palmer also volunteered to participate. Don Moeller will follow up by discussing the issue with Cheryl. Dan Hubert suggested the committee look for a cultural group to champion this project apart from NFPA, for example American Association of Museums or Heritage Preservation Association. Another committee suggestion was to add Protecting Our Heritage as an annex. All of these ideas will be open for discussion. 10. NEW PROJECT PROPOSAL ON HYBRID GAS-FINE WATER DROPLET SYSTEMS Don Moeller reported the Standards Council is looking for public input regarding a new standard on this type of system. The committee discussed whether hybrid technology should be part of CUL-AAA FIRST DRAFT MEETING MINUTES - APRIL 23-24, 2013 Page 3 of 5
4 NFPA 750 or a separate standard. The committee supports the need to develop a standard for hybrid systems using a combination of inert gas and very fine water droplets, and Don will submit a letter to the Standards Council expressing the discussions at the meeting. (See attached memorandum to Standards Council.) 11. OTHER BUSINESS A tour of the museum is scheduled at 1:30 pm on April 24, ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 11:30 am on April 24, Minutes prepared by Cindy Greczek, Acting Secretary. CUL-AAA FIRST DRAFT MEETING MINUTES - APRIL 23-24, 2013 Page 4 of 5
5 Technical Committee on Cultural Resources M E M O R A N D U M TO: FROM: Amy Cronin, Secretary, Standards Council Don Moeller, Chair, Technical Committee on Cultural Resources DATE: April 29, 2013 SUBJ: Comment on New Standard Hybrid Gas Fine Water Droplet Systems At its meeting on April 23, 2013, the Technical Committee on Cultural Resources voted unanimously to submit the following response to the request for public input on a new standard to address hybrid gas fine water droplet systems. I am submitting the response on the committee s behalf. The Technical Committee on Cultural Resources supports inclusion of hybrid system technology in NFPA standards. Hybrid-type systems could potentially be used to control and/or extinguish typical hazards that are included in and considered by NFPA 909, Code for the Protection of Cultural Resource Properties Museums, Libraries, and Places of Worship, and NFPA 914, Code for Fire Protection of Historic Structures. In addition, the committee believes that the technology should be incorporated into the current NFPA 750, Standard on Water Mist Fire Protection Systems, due to its similarity in technology in regards to both fire fighting mechanics and system component mechanics. The Technical Committee on Cultural Resources recognizes that attempts have been made to include hybrid systems under NFPA 750 and that these attempts have been rejected by the NFPA 750 technical committee. If it is the decision of the Standards Council to not incorporate hybrid system technology into NFPA 750, then we recommend and support the development of a new standard for hybrid fire suppression systems. Although Factory Mutual has approved hybrid systems for use in specific FM insured facilities, the lack of a national standard covering hybrid systems hampers the use of such systems even when the hybrid system provides the best option for fire extinguishment in a given hazard area. Also, lack of guidance for use of hybrid systems leaves authorities who wish to utilize hybrid technology, other than FM, without the type of definitive guidance provided by a nationally recognized consensus standard. In summary, the Technical Committee on Cultural Resources supports the inclusion of hybrid fire suppression systems technology in NFPA standards. CUL-AAA FIRST DRAFT MEETING MINUTES - APRIL 23-24, 2013 Page 5 of 5
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