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1 Page 1 of 37 Public Input No. 1-NFPA 30A-2012 [ New Section after ] This code shall not apply to aircraft fuel dispensing facilities. NFPA 30A is commonly referenced, in my opinion, incorrectly, by local fire code officials for aircraft fuel dispensing in addition to or in place of NFPA 407 which covers aircraft dispensing design and operation. Addition of this text would clarify the intent of the code to not include aircraft fuel servicing and dispensing directly into aircraft. Submitter Full Name: DAN FRANK Organization: ARGUS CONSULTING Submittal Date: Mon Apr 02 13:32:02 EDT 2012 Resolution: The Submitter's suggested change has been incorporated into First Revision No. 1. I, DAN FRANK, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am DAN FRANK, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
2 Page 2 of 37 Public Input No. 2-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No ] UL Publications. Underwriters Laboratories Inc., 333 Pfingsten Road, Northbrook, IL ANSI/ UL 79, Standard for Power-Operated Pumps for Petroleum Dispensing Products, 2005, Revised UL 87, Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products, 2001, Revised UL Subject 87A, Outline of Investigation for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0-E85), ANSI/UL 330, Standard for Hose and Hose Assemblies for Dispensing Flammable Liquids, 2009, Revised ANSI/UL 567, Standard for Emergency Breakaway Fittings, Swivel Connectors and Pipe-Connection Fittings for Petroleum Products and LP- Gas, 2003, Revised ANSI/UL 842, Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids, 2007, Revised UL 2080, Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, ANSI/UL 2085, Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, 1997, Revised UL 2245, Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks, ANSI/UL 2586, Standard for Hose Nozzle Valves, 2011, Revised Add reference to ANSI/UL 79, UL Subject 87A, ANSI/UL 330, ANSI/UL 567 and ANSI/UL 2586 as referenced in proposed revisions to Sections 6.2.3, 6.2.4(new), and Update ANSI/UL 842 to most recent edition as indicated. Submitter Full Name: John Bender Organization: Underwriters Laboratories Inc. Submittal Date: Wed Apr 18 13:02:34 EDT 2012
3 Page 3 of 37 Resolution: FR-5-NFPA 30A-2012 Statement: The Technical Committee agrees with the updates made to the list of referenced UL documents, but has deleted the entries for ANSI/UL 79, UL Subject 87A, ANSI/UL 330, and ANSI/UL 567, all of which are to be referenced in Annex D via First Revision No. 8. The entry for ANSI/UL 2586 has been added because it is now a mandatory referenced standard in Subsection 6.6.1, per First Revision No. 4. I, John Bender, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am John Bender, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
4 Page 4 of 37 Public Input No. 12-NFPA 30A-2012 [ New Section after ] Add a new section to read: Products intended for use with gasoline/ethanol blends with a nominal ethanol concentration greater than 10% shall be additionally evaluated in accordance with UL Subject 87A, Outline of Investigation for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0-E85). Add reference to ANSI/UL 79, UL 87, UL Subject 87A, ANSI/UL 330, ANSI/UL 567 and ANSI/UL 842 as the appropriate product safety standard for testing and listing these types of devices, respectively. With many products now being listed to handle "Ethanol" blended fuels, these standards are critical to ensure that these products are reviewed and tested to provide the protection for handling flammable/combustible liquids and ethanol based fuels. UL 87 shall be required for all flammable and combustible liquid dispensing. Additional review is needed if the flammable and combustible liquids contain ethanol-blends and shall be reviewed and tested to UL Subject 87A. Submitter Full Name: John Bender Organization: Underwriters Laboratories Inc. Submittal Date: Tue Jun 05 11:27:17 EDT 2012 Resolution: The addition of Annex Statement A.6.2.3, via First Revision No. 2, addresses the Submitter's concern. I, John Bender, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am John Bender, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
5 Page 5 of 37 Public Input No. 11-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No ] Fuel dispensing systems, including dispensers, hoses, nozzles, breakaway fittings, swivels, flexible connectors, dispenser emergency shutoff valves, vapor recovery systems, and pumps that are used for alcohol-blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purpose and labeled in accordance with ANSI/UL 79 Standard for Power-Operated Pumps for Petroleum Dispensing Products ; UL 87, Standard for Power-Operated Pumps for Petroleum Dispensing Products ; UL Subject 87A, Outline of Investigation for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0-E85); ANSI/UL 330, Standard for Hose and Hose Assemblies for Dispensing Flammable Liquids ; ANSI/UL 567, Standard for Emergency Breakaway Fittings, Swivel Connectors and Pipe-Connection Fittings for Petroleum Products and LP-Gas ; or ANSI/UL 842, Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids. Add reference to ANSI/UL 79, UL 87, UL Subject 87A, ANSI/UL 330, ANSI/UL 567 and ANSI/UL 842 as the appropriate product safety standard for testing and listing these types of devices, respectively. With many products now being listed to handle "Ethanol" blended fuels, these standards are critical to ensure that these products are reviewed and tested to provide the protection for handling flammable/combustible liquids and ethanol based fuels. UL 87 shall be required for all flammable and combustible liquid dispensing. Additional review is needed if the flammable and combustible liquids contain ethanol-blends and shall be reviewed and tested to UL Subject 87A. Submitter Full Name: John Bender Organization: Underwriters Laboratories Inc. Submittal Date: Tue Jun 05 11:26:24 EDT 2012 Resolution: FR-3-NFPA 30A-2012 Statement: The Technical Committee does not agree with the addition of the references cited by the Submitter to Subsection 6.2.3, nor does it agree with the deletion of "or approved for the specific purpose". The reason for the Technical Committee's decision is that local approval is still being used for existing dispensing systems for alternative fuels. To mandate the subject standards might create conflicts. Therefore, the Technical Committee believes the appropriate place to list the referenced documents is in an annex to and an asterisk has been added to the subsection number accordingly. See First Revision No. 2.
6 Page 6 of 37 I, John Bender, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am John Bender, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
7 Page 7 of 37 Public Input No. 14-NFPA 30A-2012 [ New Section after ] Add a new section to read: A vacuum-actuated shutoff valve with a shear-section or equivalent type valve that is used with alcohol-blended fuels shall be listed and labeled to UL Subject 87A, Outline of Investigations for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Normal Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0-E85). UL Subject 87A is the appropriate product safety standard for testing and listing shut-off valves covered in this section that are exposed to alcohol-blended fuels. Submitter Full Name: John Bender Organization: Underwriters Laboratories Inc. Submittal Date: Tue Jun 05 12:13:50 EDT 2012 Resolution: The addition of Annex Statement A.6.2.3, via First Revision No. 2, addresses the Submitter's concern. I, John Bender, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am John Bender, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
8 Page 8 of 37 Public Input No. 13-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No ] Where a suction-type dispensing system includes a booster pump or where a suction-type dispensing system is supplied by a tank in a manner that produces a gravity head on the dispensing device, a listed, vacuum-actuated shutoff valve with a shear section or equivalent-type valve, listed and labeled in accordance with UL 842, Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids, shall be installed directly under the dispensing device. Include reference to ANSI/UL 842 as this is a new standard designed to cover and certify these specific type valves. Submitter Full Name: John Bender Organization: Underwriters Laboratories Inc. Submittal Date: Tue Jun 05 11:28:27 EDT 2012 Resolution: FR-6-NFPA 30A-2012 Statement: The Technical Committee agrees that a reference to ANSI/UL 842 is appropriate. I, John Bender, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am John Bender, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
9 Page 9 of 37 Public Input No. 15-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No [Excluding any Sub-Sections] ] An automatic closing type hose nozzle valve, with a latch-open device, and listed and labeled in accordance with ANSI/UL 842, Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids and ANSI/UL 2586, Standard for Hose Nozzle Valves, shall be provided on island-type dispensing devices used to dispense Class I or Class II liquids. Replace reference to ANSI/UL 842 with ANSI/UL 2586 since flammable and combustible liquid only hose nozzle valves are now investigated under ANSI/UL With the addition of the new standard on hose nozzle valves, ANSI/UL 2586, ANSI/UL 842 will only be used to evaluate shear or ball valves as referenced in Section 6.6. Submitter Full Name: John Bender Organization: Underwriters Laboratories Inc. Submittal Date: Tue Jun 05 12:15:29 EDT 2012 Resolution: FR-4-NFPA 30A-2012 Statement: The Technical Committee agrees with the addition of the reference to ANSI/UL 2586, but has changed "and" to "or" because newer hose nozzle valves will only be listed to ANSI/UL 2586, not to both. I, John Bender, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am John Bender, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
10 Page 10 of 37 Public Input No. 19-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No ] 8.2.1* In major repair garages where CNG vehicles are repaired or stored, the area within 455 mm (18 in.) of the ceiling, if subjected to ignitible concentrations of gas, shall be designated a Class I, Division 2 hazardous (classified) location. Exception : In major repair garages, where ventilation equal to not less than four air changes per hour is provided, this requirement shall not apply. The storage or parking of CNG vehicles pose no additional hazard when compared to liquid fuel vehicles. The CNG fuel systems are completely closed systems and are not designed to vent natural gas except in the event of a significant fire in order to protect the on-board fuel storage cylinders. As stated in the Annex A it was assumed the hazard that this requirement was designed to address was the release on 150% of the volume of the largest CNG tank. This was considered to be a valid hazard in the 1990's since there were several occurrences of premature releases from cylinder mounted pressure relief devices (PRDs) which involved the full contents of the cylinder. There were a number reasons for those releases and all have all been addressed by industry and resolved. There has not been a premature release by a PRD since The industry is now reviewing industry operations to determine what would constitute a credible release of natural gas in a major repair facility. With the wide use of cylinder mounted normally closed solenoid valves tied to the ignition switch the release of gas from a fuel cylinder is eliminated in normal operations. The highest probability of release would be the opening of a fuel line fitting by a technician without properly venting the lines. In this case the total amount of gas released would be less than 150 cf. This amount of gas would disperse in the air and would not normally constitute a ignitable concentration of gas. Documentation of the research being done will be made available as needed. Submitter Full Name: Douglas Horne Organization: DBHorne LLC Submittal Date: Fri Jun 15 16:28:42 EDT 2012 Resolution: The Technical Committee does not accept the changes being proposed by this Public Input absent additional supporting information. The submitter is encouraged to provide the additional supporting documentation noted in the Substantiation. I, Douglas Horne, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this
11 Page 11 of 37 By checking this box I affirm that I am Douglas Horne, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
12 Page 12 of 37 Public Input No. 6-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No ] Sources of Ignition. Smoking materials, including matches and lighters, smoke material waste receptacles, shall not be used within 6 m (20 ft) of areas used for fueling, servicing fuel systems of internal combustion engines, or receiving or dispensing of Class I and Class II liquids. The motors of all equipment being fueled shall be shut off during the fueling operation except for emergency generators, pumps, and so forth, where continuing operation is essential. Smoking material waste receptacles should not be permitted in the area of fueling operations. Members of the NERFCDC have experienced fires in areas where smoking material waste receptacles were placed in the area of fueling. Smoking material waste receptacles are a source of ignition. Submitter Full Name: Arthur Londensky Organization: Northeastern Regional Fire Cod Submittal Date: Thu Apr 26 07:28:48 EDT 2012 Resolution: The Technical Committee does not accept the proposed changes because smoking is not allowed adjacent to the dispensers and the authority having jurisdiction already has the authority to control this usage. The Technical Committee also feels that providing receptacles might encourage smoking near dispensers I, Arthur Londensky, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am Arthur Londensky, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
13 Page 13 of 37 Public Input No. 22-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No ] Fire Extinguishers. Each motor fuel dispensing facility or repair garage shall be provided with fire extinguishers installed, inspected, and maintained as required by NFPA 10, Standard for Portable Fire Extinguishers. Extinguishers for Selection of extinguishers for the protection of these Class B hazards shall be in accordance with NFPA-10 Section 5.5 recommendations Fire extinguishers for outside motor fuel dispensing areas shall be provided according to the extra (high) hazard requirements for Class B hazards, except that the so the maximum travel distance to an 80 B:C the extinguisher shall be permitted to be not exceed m (100 ft). These revisions are necessary to further clarify the existing NFPA-10 fire extinguisher selection recommendations for properly addressing specific Class B fire hazards. The standards existing selection reference to NFPA-10 s extra (high) hazard occupancy only addresses general occupancy recommendations for potential open spill fire related conditions and not the obstacle, gravity three-dimensional or pressure fire situations more likely to be presented with fuel handling and transfer situations. Back in 2007 the NFPA-10 committee specifically addressed the selection of fire extinguishers for special Class B types of fire situations separately within Section 5.5. Extinguishers models having higher agent flow rates have historically always addressed these types of fire situations better than extinguisher models with higher numerical fire ratings, which in contrast require and dictate extended discharge durations. Current NFPA- 10 fire extinguisher recommendations for such hazards are based upon dry chemical models having minimum agent capacities of 10 pounds and agent discharge flow rates of 1 lb/sec (0.45 kg/sec) or greater. The high-flow 10 and 20 pound types of fire extinguisher models typically also carry reduced numerical Class B fire ratings of only 20B and 40B respectively. For this reason, the existing NFPA-30A standards 80 B:C rating reference needs to be removed or reduced accordingly. The proposed new paragraph attempts to maintain the committees existing desired coverage and maximum extinguisher travel distance recommendation for outside motor fuel dispensing areas. (Reference 2010 edition of NFPA-10 Section 5.5 and Annex paragraphs C.2.6, C.2.6.1, C.2.6.2, C.2.6.3, C.2.6.4, C.2.6.5, and C.2.8) Submitter Full Name: J. Nerat Organization: Badger/Kidde Fire Protection Affilliation: NFPA Industrial Section representitive on NFPA 10 Submittal Date: Wed Jun 27 12:31:30 EDT 2012
14 Page 14 of 37 Resolution: The type of extinguishers being suggested would require special training that the general public is unlikely to have. I, J. Nerat, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Except to the extent that I may lack authority to make an assignment of content identified above, I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment. By checking this box I affirm that I am J. Nerat, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature Origin (from sources other than the submitter) Some of the equipment performance references are from the NFPA-10 standard.
15 Page 15 of 37 Public Input No. 26-NFPA 30A-2012 [ New Section after ] Add new text to read as follows: Lettering for warnings listed in shall be a minimum of 1/2-inch high International symbols (below) shall also be used for each warning and shall be a minimum of 1 ¼-inches in height. (I could not edit the Leave Electronic Devices in Vehicles out of the photo- it is not my intent to include it in this change.) INSERT FIGURE 30A_L22 (PI#) Rec Additional Proposed Changes File Name Description Approved 30A_L22 (PI #26) Rec.docx Recommendation Artwork 30A_L22 (PI #26) Sub.docx Substantiation Include with Artwork INCLUDE 30A_L22 (PI #26) Sub Submitter Full Name: Gregory Cahanin Organization: Cahanin Fire & Code Consulting Submittal Date: Wed Jul 18 09:52:57 EDT 2012 Resolution: Paragraph presents the intended text of the warning label. Marketers are free to add any additional symbols desired. I, Gregory Cahanin, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am Gregory Cahanin, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
16 Page 16 of 37 Public Input No. 7-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No [Excluding any Sub-Sections] ] The primary responsibility of the attendant shall be as follows: (1) Prevent the dispensing of Class I liquids into portable containers not in compliance with (2) Prevent the use of hose nozzle valve latch-open devices that do not comply with (3) Control sources of ignition (4) Immediately activate emergency controls and notify the fire department of any fire or other emergency (5) Handle accidental spills and fire extinguishers if needed The additional of primary is to further clarify that the attendant is there to perform the duties in and other duties are secondary. It appears the role of the attendant continues to be other than an attendant to provide safe fueling. Submitter Full Name: Arthur Londensky Organization: Northeastern Regional Fire Cod Submittal Date: Thu Apr 26 07:29:55 EDT 2012 Resolution: The Technical Committee has determined that the current text of Subsections and is adequate. I, Arthur Londensky, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am Arthur Londensky, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
17 Page 17 of 37 Public Input No. 8-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No ] Metal Where lockers shall be provided are provided for employees clothes, they shall be constructed of metal. Although it is valid to require lockers to be made of non-combustible materials, some proprietors may choose to not provide lockers for employees. As currently worded it sounds like they are required to provide lockers. Submitter Full Name: Arthur Londensky Organization: Northeastern Regional Fire Cod Submittal Date: Thu Apr 26 07:30:58 EDT 2012 Resolution: The original intent of this provision was to ensure that oil-impregnated clothing was kept in a metal locker. I, Arthur Londensky, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am Arthur Londensky, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
18 Page 18 of 37 Public Input No. 23-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No ] Each marine motor fuel dispensing facility shall be provided with fire extinguishers installed, inspected, and maintained as required by NFPA 10, Standard for Portable Fire Extinguishers. Extinguishers for Selection of extinguishers for the protection of these Class B hazards shall be in accordance with NFPA-10 Section 5.5 recommendations Fire extinguishers for marine motor fuel dispensing areas shall be provided according to the extra (high) hazard requirements for Class B hazards, except that the so the maximum travel distance to an 80 B:C extinguisher shall be permitted to be 31 the extinguisher shall not exceed m (100 ft). These revisions are necessary to further clarify the existing NFPA-10 fire extinguisher selection recommendations for properly addressing specific Class B fire hazards. The standards existing selection reference to NFPA-10 s extra (high) hazard occupancy only addresses general occupancy recommendations for potential open spill fire related conditions and not the obstacle, gravity three-dimensional or pressure fire situations more likely to be presented with fuel handling and transfer situations. Back in 2007 the NFPA-10 committee specifically addressed the selection of fire extinguishers for special Class B types of fire situations separately within Section 5.5. Extinguishers models having higher agent flow rates have historically always addressed these types of fire situations better than extinguisher models with higher numerical fire ratings, which in contrast require and dictate extended discharge durations. Current NFPA- 10 fire extinguisher recommendations for such hazards are based upon dry chemical models having minimum agent capacities of 10 pounds and agent discharge flow rates of 1 lb/sec (0.45 kg/sec) or greater. The high-flow 10 and 20 pound types of fire extinguisher models typically also have reduced numerical Class B fire ratings of only 20B and 40B respectively. For this reason, the existing NFPA-30A standards 80 B:C rating reference needs to be removed or reduced accordingly. The proposed new paragraph attempts to maintain the committees existing maximum extinguisher travel distance recommendation for marine motor fuel dispensing areas. (Reference 2010 edition of NFPA-10 Section 5.5 and Annex paragraphs C.2.6, C.2.6.1, C.2.6.2, C.2.6.3, C.2.6.4, C.2.6.5, and C.2.8) Submitter Full Name: J. Nerat Organization: Badger/Kidde Fire Protection Affilliation: NFPA Industrial Section representitive on NFPA 10 Submittal Date: Wed Jun 27 12:34:39 EDT 2012
19 Page 19 of 37 Resolution: The type of extinguishers being suggested would require special training that the general public is unlikely to have. I, J. Nerat, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Except to the extent that I may lack authority to make an assignment of content identified above, I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment. By checking this box I affirm that I am J. Nerat, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature Origin (from sources other than the submitter) Some of the equipment performance references are from the NFPA-10 standard.
20 Page 20 of 37 Public Input No. 16-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No ] Dispensing devices for CNG, LNG, and LP-Gas shall be listed. Already required in NFPA 52. Submitter Full Name: Michael Mackey Organization: General Physics Corporation Submittal Date: Tue Jun 05 14:21:36 EDT 2012 Resolution: CI-7-NFPA 30A-2012 Statement: The Technical Committee proposes a Task Group, to consist of representatives of this Technical Committee and the Technical Committee on Hydrogen Technologies (NFPA 2), to review all of the provisions of Chapter 12 to confirm existing requirements and identify appropriate new requirements for all alternative fuels and to propose appropriate responses to Public Inputs Nos. 4, 5, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18, 21, 24, and 25. I, Michael Mackey, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am Michael Mackey, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
21 Page 21 of 37 Public Input No. 17-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No ] * Aboveground tanks storing CNG, LNG, or LP -Gas shall be separated from each other by at least 6 m (20 ft) and from dispensing devices Gas, and dispensing devises that dispense liquid or gaseous motor vehicle fuels by at least 15 m (50 ft). Exception No. 1: This required separation shall not apply to tanks storing fuels that have the same chemical composition. Exception No. 2: When both the gaseous fuel storage and dispensing equipment are at least 15 m (50 ft) from any other aboveground motor fuel storage or dispensing equipment, the requirements of NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code, or NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, whichever is applicable, shall apply fuels shall be rated for the electrical classification of all fuels on site. A spill of one type of motor fuel shall not be allowed to flow into the storage area of another type of motor fuel. None given. Submitter Full Name: Michael Mackey Organization: General Physics Corporation Submittal Date: Tue Jun 05 14:22:33 EDT 2012 Resolution: The Technical Committee proposes a Task Group, to consist of representatives of this Technical Committee and Technical Committee on Hydrogen Technologies (NFPA 2), to review all of the provisions of Chapter 12 to confirm existing requirements and identify appropriate new requirements for all alternative fuels and to propose appropriate responses to Public Inputs Nos. 4, 5, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18, 21, 24, and 25. I, Michael Mackey, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am Michael Mackey, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
22 Page 22 of 37 Public Input No. 24-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No ] * Aboveground tanks storing CNG, or LNG, or LP-Gas shall be separated from each other by at least 6 m (20 ft) as required by NFPA 52 and from dispensing devices that dispense liquid or gaseous motor vehicle fuels by at least 15 3 m (50 10 ft). Exception No. 1: This required separation shall not apply to tanks storing fuels that have the same chemical composition. Exception No. 2: When both the gaseous fuel storage and dispensing equipment are at least 15 m (50 ft) from any other aboveground motor fuel storage or dispensing equipment, the requirements of NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code, or NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, whichever is applicable, shall apply. The existing Section was based on limited information as noted in Annex A It did not take into account the requirements of NFPA Sections and for LNG station designs relative to hazards between LNG systems and gaseous fuel systems. The proposed 3m (10 ft) separation distance is based on Section of 30A which allows dispensers within 3m (10 ft) of property lines or buildings, thus indication that the hazard recognized is acceptable at a closer distance. Facilities storing LNG or CNG and dispensing motor fuels of different chemical compositions in close proximity to each other should have a common emergency shutdown (ESD) system for the entire station as a common industry standard. The requirements covering LPG should be addressed separately from LNG and CNG since LPG has a specific gravity greater than 1.0 and has different dissipation characteristics in air than CNG and LNG. Submitter Full Name: DAVID DIXON Organization: NORTHSTAR INC Submittal Date: Wed Jun 27 12:57:11 EDT 2012 Resolution: The Technical Committee proposes a Task Group, to consist of representatives of this Technical Committee and Technical Committee on Hydrogen Technologies (NFPA 2), to review all of the provisions of Chapter 12 to confirm existing requirements and identify appropriate new requirements for all alternative fuels and to propose appropriate responses to Public Inputs Nos. 4, 5, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18, 21, 24, and 25. I, DAVID DIXON, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this
23 Page 23 of 37 By checking this box I affirm that I am DAVID DIXON, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
24 Page 24 of 37 Public Input No. 4-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No ] * Aboveground tanks storing CNG, and LNG, or LP-Gas shall be separated from each other by at least 6 m (20 ft) and from dispensing devices that dispense liquid or gaseous motor vehicle fuels by at least 15 m (50 ft). Exception No. 1: This required separation shall not apply to tanks storing fuels that have the same chemical composition. Exception No. 2: When both the gaseous fuel storage and dispensing equipment are at least 15 m (50 ft) from any other aboveground motor fuel storage or dispensing equipment, the requirements of NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code, or NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, whichever is applicable, shall apply. The 50 ft requirement in NFPA 30A is too restrictive. Some commercial lots do not have the size to accommodate this distance. Additionally, Annex A in NFPA 30A indicates that the 50-foot requirement was decided upon arbitrarily: A The selection of the 15 m (50 ft) separation distance for gaseous fuels is based on the existing separation requirements prescribed in this code. No technical data were available to support different separation distances, and the 15 m (50 ft) distance was considered reasonable and conservative, based on the information available to the technical committee at the time. Based on the information in A and in view of the requirements in NFPA (3), which specifies separation distances between LP-Gas containers and dispensing devices for other liquid or gaseous fuels, the distances in Table are being proposed. NFPA (3) allows cylinders awaiting use or resale to be stored at least 20 ft from any automotive service station fuel dispenser. If that logic is followed, it would be reasonable to say that the distances in NFPA would be sufficient for other quantities. The proposed table is based on those quantities and distances. Example 1: 1000 gals of LP-Gas weighs 4240 lbs. Table allows a 10 ft horizontal separation distance to exposures. Example 2: 2000 gals of LP-Gas weighs 8480 lbs. Table allows a 20 ft horizontal separation distance to exposures. This substantiation is based on quantities in cylinders, and then transferring those quantities to ASME containers, which may present some questions. It could be argued that radiant heat from a fire or even direct impingement would have less effect on an ASME container than it would on cylinders - especially aluminum cylinders. In addition, published research¹ is available that supports the distances in Table The research project modeled steel propane containers of the sizes referred to in Table that were exposed to a severe petroleum pool fire 100 feet in diameter for a duration of 30 minutes. The results of the modeling indicated that the temperatures of the container walls were well below the temperature at which steel begins to yield. ¹Journal of Hazardous Materials, Exposure of a liquefied gas container to an external fire by Phani K. Raj. Published: April 2006
25 Page 25 of 37 Submitter Full Name: Rufus Youngblood Organization: Ferrellgas LP Submittal Date: Tue Apr 24 07:49:49 EDT 2012 Resolution: The Technical Committee proposes a Task Group, to consist of representatives of this Technical Committee and Technical Committee on Hydrogen Technologies (NFPA 2), to review all of the provisions of Chapter 12 to confirm existing requirements and identify appropriate new requirements for all alternative fuels and to propose appropriate responses to Public Inputs Nos. 4, 5, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18, 21, 24, and 25. I, Rufus Youngblood, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am Rufus Youngblood, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
26 Page 26 of 37 Public Input No. 9-NFPA 30A-2012 [ Section No ] * Aboveground tanks storing CNG, or LNG, or LP-Gas shall be separated from each other aboveground tanks containing liquid motor vehicle fuels by at least 6 m (20 ft) and from dispensing devices that dispense liquid or gaseous motor vehicle fuels by at least 15 3 m (50 10 ft). Exception No. 1: This required separation shall not apply to tanks storing fuels that have the same chemical composition. Exception No. 2: When both the gaseous fuel storage and dispensing equipment are at least 15 m (50 ft) from any other aboveground motor fuel storage or dispensing equipment, the requirements of NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code, or NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, whichever is applicable, shall apply. The existing section did not take into account the actual properties of the gaseous fuels, nor the existing requirements of the LNG station design when determining the relative hazards between liquid fuel systems and gaseous fuel systems. This was noted in the annex statement A when it was stated that there was limited information available to the technical committee at the time of drafting the requirements. The proposed 3m (10 ft) separation distance is based on section of 30A-2012 which allows dispensers within 3m (10 ft) of property lines or buildings, thus indication the the hazard recognized is acceptable at a 3m (10 ft) separation distance. The changes to the language as proposed provide new separation distance based on years of experience by the industry and the understanding of the hazards by the NFPA 52 technical committee when developing separation distances. See NFPA section for the separation between CNG storage and liquid motor vehicle fuel storage and NFPA section that covers spill containment for LNG storage. The language covering LPG should be revised by the 30A TC but placed in a separate section since LPG has a specific gravity greater than 1.0 and does not dissipate in air as does CNG and therefore creates a different hazard to the station. Submitter Full Name: Douglas Horne Organization: Clean Vehicle Education Foundation Submittal Date: Tue Jun 05 11:16:05 EDT 2012 Resolution: The Technical Committee proposes a Task Group, to consist of representatives of this Technical Committee and Technical Committee on Hydrogen Technologies (NFPA 2), to review all of the provisions of Chapter 12 to confirm existing requirements and identify appropriate new requirements for all alternative fuels and to propose appropriate responses to Public Inputs Nos. 4, 5, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18, 21, 24, and 25.
27 Page 27 of 37 I, Douglas Horne, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am Douglas Horne, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
28 Page 28 of 37 Public Input No. 5-NFPA 30A-2012 [ New Section after ] Aboveground containers storing LP Gas shall be separated from dispensing devices that dispense liquid or gaseous motor vehicle fuels in accordance with Table *****Insert 30A_L8_Tbl _Rec Here***** Additional Proposed Changes File Name Description Approved 30A_L8a_Tbl _Rec.docx 30A-L8a-Tbl Rec The 50 ft requirement in NFPA 30A is too restrictive. Some commercial lots do not have the size to accommodate this distance. Additionally, Annex A in NFPA 30A indicates that the 50-foot requirement was decided upon arbitrarily: A The selection of the 15 m (50 ft) separation distance for gaseous fuels is based on the existing separation requirements prescribed in this code. No technical data were available to support different separation distances, and the 15 m (50 ft) distance was considered reasonable and conservative, based on the information available to the technical committee at the time. Based on the information in A and in view of the requirements in NFPA (3), which specifies separation distances between LP-Gas containers and dispensing devices for other liquid or gaseous fuels, the distances in Table are being proposed. NFPA (3) allows cylinders awaiting use or resale to be stored at least 20 ft from any automotive service station fuel dispenser. If that logic is followed, it would be reasonable to say that the distances in NFPA would be sufficient for other quantities. The proposed table is based on those quantities and distances. Example 1: 1000 gals of LP-Gas weighs 4240 lbs. Table allows a 10 ft horizontal separation distance to exposures. Example 2: 2000 gals of LP-Gas weighs 8480 lbs. Table allows a 20 ft horizontal separation distance to exposures. This substantiation is based on quantities in cylinders, and then transferring those quantities to ASME containers, which may present some questions. It could be argued that radiant heat from a fire or even direct impingement would have less effect on an ASME container than it would on cylinders - especially aluminum cylinders. In addition, published research¹ is available that supports the distances in Table The research project modeled steel propane containers of the sizes referred to in Table that were exposed to a severe petroleum pool fire 100 feet in diameter for a duration of 30 minutes. The results of the modeling indicated that the temperatures of the container walls were well below the temperature at which steel begins to yield. ¹Journal of Hazardous Materials, Exposure of a liquefied gas container to an external fire by Phani K. Raj. Published: April 2006 Submitter Full Name: Rufus Youngblood Organization: Ferrellgas LP Submittal Date: Tue Apr 24 07:52:36 EDT 2012
29 Page 29 of 37 Resolution: The Technical Committee proposes a Task Group, to consist of representatives of this Technical Committee and Technical Committee on Hydrogen Technologies (NFPA 2), to review all of the provisions of Chapter 12 to confirm existing requirements and identify appropriate new requirements for all alternative fuels and to propose appropriate responses to Public Inputs Nos. 4, 5, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18, 21, 24, and 25. I, Rufus Youngblood, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this By checking this box I affirm that I am Rufus Youngblood, and I agree to be legally bound by the above and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by
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