National Fire Protection Association 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169-7471 Phone: 617-770-3000 Fax: 617-770-0700 www.nfpa.org MEMORANDUM TO: FROM: NFPA Technical Committee on Testing and Maintenance of Fire Alarm and Signaling Systems Colleen Kelly, Administrator Technical Projects DATE: May 27, 2015 SUBJ: NFPA 72 Proposed TIA No. 1189 (SIG-TMS) Circulation of TC Ballots The preliminary ballot results of the TC balloting on proposed TIA No. 1189 are as follows: 27 Eligible to Vote 10 Not Returned (Brockett, Chenoweth, Corrin, J. Kelly, R. Kelly, Kerr, Koval, Larrimer, Powers, Rochholz) Technical Merit: Emergency Nature: 0 Abstentions 0 Abstentions 11 Agree (Chavez, Moore, Scibetta 9 Agree (Moore w/comment) w/comment) 6 Disagree (Breen, Carter, Heffernan, Kleintop, Murphy, Shackley) 8 Disagree (Breen, Carter, Chavez, Heffernan, Kleintop, Murphy, Scibetta, Shackley) There are two criteria necessary to pass ballot [(1) affirmative ¾ vote and (2) simple majority] with both questions needing to pass ballot in order to recommend that the Standards Council issues this TIA. (1) The number of affirmative votes needed is 13. (27 eligible to vote - 10 not returned - 0 abstentions = 17 0.75 = 12.75 = 13) (2) In all cases, an affirmative vote of at least a simple majority of the total membership eligible to vote is required. This is the calculation for simple majority: [27 eligible 2 = 13.5 = (14)] Therefore, based on the responses received to date the preliminary results show that this TIA IS NOT passing ballot. Explanation of votes received from principal member s are attached for your review. Ballots received from alternate members are not included, unless the ballot from the principal member was not received. If you wish to submit your ballot or change your vote, please do so no later than Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 11:59 PM Eastern. Ballots or changes may be submitted to Colleen Kelly via email to ckelly@nfpa.org or fax to 617-770-0700. If you do not wish to change your vote, no response is necessary. Attachments: All comments
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE SIG-TMS LETTER BALLOT PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1188 National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code Question 1: I agree with the TECHNICAL MERITS of the Proposed TIA sections 2.3.3; 3.3.30; 3.3.30.1; 3.3.30.2; 3.3.30.2.1; 3.3.30.2.2; 3.3.30.2.3; 3.3.30.2.4; 3.3.30.3; 3.3.30.4; 3.3.30.5; 3.3.38; 3.3.38.2; 3.3.38.2.1; 3.3.38.2.2; 3.3.38.3; 3.3.38.4; Table 14.3.1 revise item 9; add footnote to Table 14.3.1; Revise Table 14.4.3.2 Item 7; Revise Table 14.4.3.2 Item 8; Revise Table 14.4.3.2 Item 9, Add footnotes to Table 14.4.3.2; Add new A.14.4.3.2 item 9(d) and A.14.4.3.2 item 9(e); Revise A.14.4.10.6; Add new IEEE Standards Association Publications to Annex G.1.2, Other Publications. Insert as new G.1.2.6 and renumber existing Annex G.1.2.6 through G.1.2.14 as G.1.2.7 through G.1.2.15; Add EPRI Publications (copyrighted) to Annex G.2. X AGREE DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. The amendment has technical and scientific merit. It is anticipated that several areas of the amendment may be difficult to execute on installed equipment. Specifically the VRLA Temperature and Ohmic Tests may have procedural challenges such as using an infrared thermometer to get a true reading on battery terminals that are enclosed within a cabinet (would need to open the cabinet to get a thermal reading and in doing so you would inadvertently allow heat to escape or cool components). Also the ohmic test recommends establishing a based line ohmic value based 30 batteries from one manufacturer. This information may be difficult to establish for installed equipment. The Cell / Unit voltage test as written is based on 12 V rated batteries and does not account for 24 V rated batteries. Table 14.4.3.2, as proposed, is very prescriptive for VRLA batteries but does not provide the same level of guidance for vented lead- acid of Nickel cadmium batteries. Question 2: I agree that the subject is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. AGREE X DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. Not aware of any field issues that support the emergency nature. Signature Lou Chavez Name (Please Print) 05-26-15
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE SIG-TMS LETTER BALLOT PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1188 National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code Question 1: I agree with the TECHNICAL MERITS of the Proposed TIA sections 2.3.3; 3.3.30; 3.3.30.1; 3.3.30.2; 3.3.30.2.1; 3.3.30.2.2; 3.3.30.2.3; 3.3.30.2.4; 3.3.30.3; 3.3.30.4; 3.3.30.5; 3.3.38; 3.3.38.2; 3.3.38.2.1; 3.3.38.2.2; 3.3.38.3; 3.3.38.4; Table 14.3.1 revise item 9; add footnote to Table 14.3.1; Revise Table 14.4.3.2 Item 7; Revise Table 14.4.3.2 Item 8; Revise Table 14.4.3.2 Item 9, Add footnotes to Table 14.4.3.2; Add new A.14.4.3.2 item 9(d) and A.14.4.3.2 item 9(e); Revise A.14.4.10.6; Add new IEEE Standards Association Publications to Annex G.1.2, Other Publications. Insert as new G.1.2.6 and renumber existing Annex G.1.2.6 through G.1.2.14 as G.1.2.7 through G.1.2.15; Add EPRI Publications (copyrighted) to Annex G.2. X AGREE DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. This TIA corrects/updates the inspection, testing, and maintenance requirements for batteries which the TC has agreed are out dated. The IEEE agreed to provide the needed expertise to update/correct the requirements. The updated material corrects errors in the 2013 requirements and should be made available to users of the 2013 edition of the Code. Question 2: I agree that the subject is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. X AGREE DISAGREE* ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. WIthout this TIA, users and juridictions that have adoped the 2013 edition of the Code will not have the corrected ITM requirements for batteries. Signature Jeffrey Moore Name (Please Print) 5/13/2015 Date Please return the ballot on or before May 26, 2015 at 11:59 PM Eastern. PLEASE RETURN TO: Colleen Kelly Project Administrator NFPA 1 Batterymarch Park Quincy, MA 02169 FAX: (617) 984-7110 E-mail: ckelly@nfpa.org
Kelly, Colleen From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject: Breen Electric Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:46 PM Kelly, Colleen Kevin J. Breen Re: NFPA 72 Ballot on Proposed TIA Log No. 1189 (SIG-TMS) Ballot Colleen, I am responding before the deadline without utilizing the ballot sheet. I can email that tomorrow. Consider this email my formal response. Question #1 Disagree Explanation: I agree in part with author's well written and needed definitions. What makes me disagree stems from my belief that NFPA 72 should be a stand alone, definitive code manual. Our work should be complete eliminating the need for footnotes and more importantly other references, IEEE as referenced in the TIA. I believe we as a committee are governed by the style manual and thus we must create a industry standard code manual. As an installer, neither me or my employees will have access to engineering data or manuals in the field. Question #2 Disagree Explanation: Not immediately necessary Thank you Sincerely, Kevin Kevin J. Breen, President Breen Electrical Contractors Inc. 176 16th Street Brooklyn, NY 11215 www.wiringnewyork.com Sent from my iphone On May 18, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Kelly, Colleen <CKelly@nfpa.org> wrote: Technical Committee on Testing and Maintenance of Fire Alarm and Signaling Systems, Another reminder, this one for the proposed TIA Log No. 1189. This ballot also closes on Tuesday May 26, 2015. 1
Thank you!! Colleen From: Kelly, Colleen Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 4:04 PM To: Kelly, Colleen Cc: Burke, Bill; Roux, Richard; Depew, Jenny; Fuller, Linda; Foley, Patrick; Baio, Debbie; Cronin, Carolyn Subject: NFPA 72 Ballot on Proposed TIA Log No. 1189 (SIG TMS) Ballot Importance: High Technical Committee on Testing and Maintenance of Fire Alarm and Signaling Systems, Attached is another proposed TIA for ballot on NFPA 72 Log No. 1189. This ballot is also due on Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 11:59 PM Eastern. Please note that you are only to consider the sections noted on your ballot form when voting. Ballot forms are attached and can be returned to me by email at ckelly@nfpa.org, or by fax to 617 770 0700. In addition to being balloted on the technical merits of the proposed TIA, the Committee is also being balloted on whether or not this matter is of an emergency nature. Please see Section 5 (copy enclosed) regarding the processing of TIAs from the Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards. Note: Please remember that the return of ballots and attendance at committee meetings are required in accordance with the Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards. If you have any questions, don t hesitate to contact me. Colleen Kelly Project Administrator National Fire Protection Association 1 Batterymarch Park Quincy, MA 02169 PH: (617) 984 7481 FX: (617) 770 0700 <Sig-TMS Initial Cover Memo.pdf> <72_SIG-TMS_TIA_1189_BallotForm.docx> <Endorsement TIA 1189.pdf> <Proposed TIA 1189 NFPA 72-2016-Battery.pdf> 2