Technical Committee on Standpipes (SPI-AAA)

Technical Committee on Standpipes () M E M O R A N D U M DATE: March 13, 2015 TO: FROM: and Alternate Members of the Technical Committee on Standpipes () Chad Duffy, NFPA Staff Liaison Office: (617) 984-7262 Email: cduffy@nfpa.org SUBJECT: AGENDA NFPA 14 Second Draft Meeting (Fall 2015) Enclosed is the agenda for the Second Draft meeting for NFPA 14, Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems, which will be held via adobe connect/conference call, 11:00am to 3:00pm ET on Tuesday April 7, 2015. Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting, and notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any Second revisions at the meeting. All NFPA Technical Committee meetings are open to the public. Please contact me for information on attending a meeting as a guest. Read NFPA's Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards (Section 3.3.3.3) for further information. Additional Meeting Information: See the Meeting Notice on the Document Information Page (www.nfpa.org/14next) for meeting location details. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact Elena Carroll, Project Administrator at 617-984-7952 or by email ecarroll@nfpa.org. C. Standards Administration Page 1 of 5

Technical Committee on Standpipes () NFPA 14 Second Draft Meeting (Fall 2015) Tuesday, April 7, 2015, 11:00am 3:00pm ET Adobe Connect/Conference Call AGENDA Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1. Call to Order 11:00 AM 2. Introductions and Attendance 3. Review Agenda 4. NFPA Staff Liaison Presentation and Review of Key Dates in Current Cycle 5. Chairman Comments 6. Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes 7. Act on Public Comments for NFPA 14 and Committee Second Revision Proposals 8. New Business 9. Adjourn 3:00 PM Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting. Please notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any committee input at the meeting. Key Dates for the Fall 2015 Revision Cycle Proposal Closing Date January 3, 2014 Final Date for First Draft Meeting June 13, 2014 Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot August 1, 2014 Ballots Returned By August 22, 2014 Post Final First Draft September 5, 2014 Comment Closing Date November 14, 2014 Final Date for Second Draft Meeting May 1, 2015 Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot June 12, 2015 Ballots Returned By July 3, 2015 Posting Final Second Draft July 17, 2015 Closing Date for Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) August 21, 2015 Page 2 of 5

Technical Committee on Standpipes () NFPA 14 Second Draft Meeting (Fall 2015) Tuesday, April 7, 2015, 11:00am 3:00pm ET Adobe Connect/Conference Call Issuance of Consent Document (No NITMAMs) November 10, 2015 NFPA Annual Meeting June 6-9, 2016 Issuance of Document with NITMAM August 4, 2016 Technical Committee deadlines are in bold. Page 3 of 5

Technical Committee on Standpipes () NFPA 14 Second Draft Meeting (Fall 2015) Tuesday, April 7, 2015, 11:00am 3:00pm ET Adobe Connect/Conference Call Meeting Preparation Committee members are strongly encouraged to review the published comments prior to the meeting and to be prepared to act on each item. Handout materials should be submitted to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting. Only one posting of the comments will be made; it will be arranged in section/order and will be pre-numbered. This will be posted to the NFPA Document information pages located at www.nfpa.org/14. If you have trouble accessing the website please contact Elena Carroll at ecarroll@nfpa.org. Mandatory Materials: Last edition of the standard Meeting agenda Public comments Committee Officers' Guide (Chairs) Roberts Rules of Order (Chairs; An abbreviated version may be found in the Committee Officer s Guide) Optional Materials: NFPA Annual Directory NFPA Manual of Style Prepared committee input/comments (If applicable) Regulations and Guiding Documents All committee members are expected to behave in accordance with the Guide for the Conduct of Participants in the NFPA Codes and Standards Development Process. All actions during and following the committee meetings will be governed in accordance with the Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards. Failure to comply with these regulations could result in challenges to the standards-making process. A successful challenge on procedural grounds could prevent or delay publication of the document. The style of the document must comply with the Manual of Style for NFPA Technical Committee Documents. Page 4 of 5

Technical Committee on Standpipes () NFPA 14 Second Draft Meeting (Fall 2015) Tuesday, April 7, 2015, 11:00am 3:00pm ET Adobe Connect/Conference Call General Procedures for Meetings Use of tape recorders or other means capable of producing verbatim transcriptions of any NFPA Committee Meeting is not permitted. Attendance at all NFPA Committee Meetings is open. All guests must sign in and identify their affiliation. Participation in NFPA Committee Meetings is generally limited to committee members and NFPA staff. Participation by guests is limited to individuals, who have received prior approval from the chair to address the committee on a particular item, or who wish to speak regarding public input or comments that they submitted. The chairman reserves the right to limit the amount of time available for any presentation. No interviews will be allowed in the meeting room at any time, including breaks. All attendees are reminded that formal votes of committee members will be secured by letter ballot. Voting at this meeting is used to establish a sense of agreement, but only the results of the formal letter ballot will determine the official action of the committee. Note to Special Experts: Particular attention is called to Section 3.3(e) of the NFPA Guide for the Conduct of Participants in the NFPA Codes and Standards Development Process in the NFPA Directory. This section requires committee members to declare any interest they may represent, other than their official designation as shown on the committee roster. This typically occurs when a special expert is retained by and represents another interest category on a particular subject. If such a situation exists on a specific issue or issues, the committee member shall declare those interests to the committee and refrain from voting on any action relating to those issues. Page 5 of 5

Attachment #1: Previous Meeting Minutes

MINUTES of the NFPA 14 Public Input meeting Tempe, AZ March 4 thru 5, 2014 Tuesday; March 4 1. In Chairman Tom Brown s absence, temporary Chairman Maurice Pilette called the meeting to order at 8:05 AM and welcomed the committee. 2. All attendees made self-introductions; See attached attendance. 3. Staff Liaison Chad Duffy reviewed the meeting agenda. 4. Staff Liaison Chad Duffy reviewed the new terms and motions of the new Standard Development Process. 5. Staff Liaison Chad Duffy provided the First Draft presentation including key dates in the current cycle. 6. Chairman Pilette provided standard meeting instructions 7. Chairman Pilette called for a motion to accept minutes of April 2012 ROC meeting of the TECHNICAL COMMITTEE in Scottsdale, AZ. Motion passed unanimously. 8. Technical Committee began the review and action process on 142 public input proposals. 9. Session recessed at 5:15PM Wednesday; March 5 10. Technical Committee reconvened at 7:30 AM on 03/5/14 and continued the review and action process on the Public Input proposals. 11. Chairman Pilette assigned a task group to review the horizontal exit requirements and develop an annex diagram for section 7.3.2.5. The task group consists of the following members: a. Peter Schwab Chairman b. Cecil Bilbo c. Steve Leyton d. James Peterkin e. Jeannene Meisman

12. Chairman Pilette assigned a task group to review section 6.1.2 Protection of Aboveground Pipe requirements to bring forward comments at the second draft meeting: a. Dave Hague Chairman b. Cecil Bilbo c. Terry Victor d. Bob Morgan e. Don Casey f. Michael McDaniel g. John Norman III h. James Dockrill 13. Chairman Pilette asked if there was any unfinished business. No unfinished business was brought forward. 14. Chairman Pilette announced that the next meeting will likely be scheduled in March or April 2015. Exact date and location to be announced in the future. 15. Chairman Pilette called for a motion to adjourn at 12:50 PM. Motion passed unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Chad Duffy, NFPA

Attendees s: Cecil Bilbo Marinus Both Brian Conway James Dockrill David Hague Edwin Kotak Richard Kozel Stephen Leyton Scott Martorano Jeannene Meisman David Mettauer Bob Morgan Rita Neiderheiser John Norman James Peterkin Maurice Pilette Edward Prendergast Rich Richardson Daniel Sanchez Peter Schwab Kyle Smith Ronald Webb Eric Lee, Voting Alternate Alternates: Don Casey Terence Manning Michael McDaniel Laura Poag Jeff Saunders Terry Victor Daniel Weaver Thomas Wellen Guests: Bob Upson Chad Duffy, NFPA Staff Liaison

Attachment #2: Public Comment

1 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 22-NFPA 14-2014 [ New Section after 1.4 ] A.1.4 A.1.4 It is the intent of the Commi ee to recognize that future edi ons of this standard are a further refinement of this edi on and earlier edi ons. The changes in future edi ons will reflect the con nuing input of the fire protec on community in its a empt to meet the purpose stated in this standard. Compliance with a future edi on could be considered as providing an equivalent level of system integrity and performance of the system. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment This language is similar to language in NFPA 101 annex and was added to NFPA 25 during the first draft meeting. Related Item Public Input No. 139-NFPA 14-2013 [New Section after 1.4.2] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Peter Schwab Organization: Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinkler Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Wed Nov 12 17:32:02 EST 2014

Public Comment No. 4-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 4.1.4 ] 4.1.4 The materials or devices listing instructions shall identify and specify the existing system components, including the fluids conveyed, with which the newly listed materials, devices, or components are compatible. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Delete this section. Compatibility is a complex subject that cannot be codified in a single section. The majority of the issues that the industry has encountered in regards to compatibility relate to CPVC. NFPA 13 has added language and the labs are working towards some compatibility protocols. NFPA 14 should wait to add compatibility language once the 13 Committee and the labs have landed in a more defined place. Related Item Public Input No. 151-NFPA 14-2014 [New Section after 4.1.3] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Peter Schwab Organization: Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinkler Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Sep 23 10:02:02 EDT 2014 2 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM

3 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 5-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 6.3.3 ] 6.3.3 Listed indicating-type valves shall be provided at the standpipe for controlling branch lines where the distance to the remote hose station exceeds 20 40 ft (6 12 m) measured along the pipe. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment On horizontal standpipe systems in a mall, the 20'-0" limitation would be too restrictive and this change would require control valves for every hose valve. Granted the 40' number is arbitrary but I believe more realistic. Related Item Public Input No. 80-NFPA 14-2013 [Section No. 6.3.3] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Peter Schwab Organization: Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinkler Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Sep 23 10:42:37 EDT 2014

4 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 7-NFPA 14-2014 [ New Section after 6.3.6.1.3 ] 6.3.6.1.3.1 The location of the T-wrench shall be acceptable to the AHJ. Renumber 6.3.6.1.3.1 to 6.3.6.1.3.2 Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Moved requirement to separate section Related Public Comments for This Document Related Comment Public Comment No. 6-NFPA 14-2014 [Section No. 6.3.6.1.3 [Excluding any Sub-Sections]] Related Item Public Input No. 83-NFPA 14-2013 [Section No. 6.3.6.1.3] Relationship Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Peter Schwab Organization: Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinkler Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Sep 23 10:52:54 EDT 2014

5 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 6-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 6.3.6.1.3 [Excluding any Sub-Sections] ] Where a post-indicator valve cannot be used, an underground valvewith valve with an approved roadway box, complete with T-wrench and where acceptable to the AHJ, shall wrench shall be permitted. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Added a space (editorial) and removed language in regards to the AHJ approval of the wrench location. Another comment will add that language as a subsection Related Public Comments for This Document Related Comment Public Comment No. 7-NFPA 14-2014 [New Section after 6.3.6.1.3] Related Item Public Input No. 83-NFPA 14-2013 [Section No. 6.3.6.1.3] Relationship Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Peter Schwab Organization: Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinkler Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Sep 23 10:48:56 EDT 2014

Public Comment No. 26-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 6.4.2 ] 6.4.2 A listed check valve shall be in the fire department connection piping 6.4.2.1 In areas subject to freezing temperatures, the check valve shall be installed as near as practicable to the point where the fire department connection piping connects to the system main piping. 6.4.2. 1 2 In areas not subject to freezing temperatures, the check valve shall be installed at any location in the fire department connection piping. 6.4.2.3 The requirements of 6.4.2 shall apply to manual dry systems. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment In areas not subject to freezing temperatures, it is very common for the FDC check valve to be installed above ground at the FDC inlet assembly. This avoids costly underground vaults and greatly facilitates Inspection, testing, and maintenance. Related Item First Revision No. 29-NFPA 14-2014 [Section No. 6.4.2] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: JAMES M FELD Organization: University of California Fire Prevention Division Affilliation: University of California Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Nov 13 17:13:00 EST 2014 6 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM

Public Comment No. 27-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 6.4.5.2.2.1 ] Delete Proposed Section 6.4.5.2.2.1 The sign in 6.4.5.2.2 shall not be required when the system demand pressure is less than 150 psi (10.3 bar). Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Since signs have a significant probability of getting lost or stolen, it is important for the firefighters to have the sign indicating the pressure required at the FDC for the standpipe system. A FDC without a sign should be indicative of only 2 conditions (1) it is an older system installed prior to the time when NFPA 14 started to require the sign, or (2) the sign is missing. An inspector upon seeing a FDC for a standpipe system without a sign can investigate as to whether or not the sign is required. For those who attempt to draw a similarity with sprinkler systems, please consider that firefighters must operate the standpipe system inside the building on floors well above ground level. The pump operator should NOT be in a position to guess what pressure to use at the FDC and wait for the firefighters to call for more pressure thereby making firefighting a trial and error operation. Related Item First Revision No. 32-NFPA 14-2014 [Section No. 6.4.5.2.2] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: JAMES M FELD Organization: University of California Fire Prevention Division Affilliation: University of California Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Nov 13 17:29:40 EST 2014 7 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM

8 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 2-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 7.2.1 ] 7.2.1 The maximum pressure at any point in the system at any time shall not exceed 350 400 psi (24 27.6 bar). Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Most PRV's for standpipe use are UL/FM listed to 400psi. Related Item Public Input No. 2-NFPA 14-2013 [Chapter 7] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: BRIAN CALLAHAN Organization: XL FIRE PROTECTION Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Wed Aug 06 10:07:25 EDT 2014

9 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 1-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 7.2.2.1 ] 7.2.2.1 Where express mains supply higher standpipe zones, there shall be no hose outlets on any portion of the system where the pressure exceeds 350 400 psi (24 27.6 bar). Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment I make this suggestion based on the fact that most PRV valves for fire protection standpipe use are UL/FM listed to 400psi., i.e. Zurn, Elkhart, Potter Roemer, etc. Related Item Public Input No. 1-NFPA 14-2013 [New Section after 6.1.1] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: BRIAN CALLAHAN Organization: XL FIRE PROTECTION Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Wed Aug 06 09:52:09 EDT 2014

10 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 23-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 7.3.2.2.1 [Excluding any Sub-Sections] ] Hose connections on one side of a horizontal exit shall not be required where another outlet on that side of the horizontal exit can reach the portions of the building on the other side of the horizontal exit within the distances required by 7.3.2.2.1.1or 7.3.2.2.1.2 that would have been protected by the outlet that was omitted. Additional Proposed Changes File Name Description Approved 7.3.2.2.1.docx Revised 7.3.2.2.1 A.7.3.2.2.1_2016_Horizontal_Exit.pdf Annex figure for A.7.3.2.2.1 Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment The attached language is proposed to correlate NFPA 14 with the IBC. As currently written, NFPA 14 is opposite of the building code. A revised annex diagram is part of this change as well. Related Item Public Input No. 104-NFPA 14-2013 [Section No. 7.3.2] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Peter Schwab Organization: Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinkler Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Nov 13 10:31:45 EST 2014

Terra View would not let me enter this without screwing it up. 7.3.2.2.1* Where all floor areas are reachable from an exit stairway hose connection on the same side of a horizontal exit within the distances required by 7.3.2.2.1.1or 7.3.2.2.1.2 as applicable, the hose connection on the other side of the horizontal exit shall be permitted to be omitted.

FIGURE A.7.3.2.2.1 Horizontal Exits

11 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 24-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 7.3.2.4 ] 7.3.2.4 Nonrequired unenclosed stairs connecting only two adjacent floors shall occupied by the same tenant shall not require hose connections. A.7.3.2.4 This typically occurs in buildings where a tenant occupies 2 floors aand adds a convenience stair that is not a part of the required means of egress. This also occurs in hotel lobbies where the second floor is accessed from the first floor lobby by an unenclosed stair. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment The proposed change is poorly worded. A non required stair that serves 4 stories also serves 2 stories by default. The intent of the PI was to cover convenience stairs between 2 floors. This typically occurs when the 2 floors are occupied by the same tenant and where these stairs are unenclosed. An enclosed non required stair serving only 2 stories in a 5 story building needs to have a standpipe. The responding fire department does not know whether or not the stair is required. When they enter a stair they expect to find a standpipe. This will result in an excessive delay in establishing firefighting operations. Such delay increases the size of the fire resulting in greater risk to the occupants and to the firefighters as well as an increase in property damage. Related Item First Revision No. 118-NFPA 14-2014 [Global Input] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: JAMES M FELD Organization: University of California Fire Prevention Division Affilliation: University of California Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Nov 13 11:15:11 EST 2014

Public Comment No. 25-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 7.3.2.5 ] Delete Proposed Section 7.3.2.5 A single hose connection shall be permitted to be installed in the corridor or breezeway between open stairs that are not greater than 75 ft (23 m) apart. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment An enclosed corridor can be connected to 2 open stairs. The proposed change does not specify where in the corridor the hose connection is to be located. If it located 10 feet from one stair and the firefighters access the floor using the other stair they will have to travel 65 feet to the hose connection while in all probability passing the apartment that is involved in the fire. The responding firefighters may not even know that there is a hose connection in the corridor/breezeway because they expect the standpipe hose connections to be in the stairways. Related Item First Revision No. 119-NFPA 14-2014 [Global Input] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: JAMES M FELD Organization: University of California Fire Prevention Division Affilliation: University of California Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Nov 13 11:27:50 EST 2014 12 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM

13 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 8-NFPA 14-2014 [ New Section after 7.5.1 ] 7.5.1.1 Standpipes shall be permitted to not be interconnected where acceptable to the AHJ. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment The Committee statement said that section 7.5.1 gave the AHJ the ability to specify how standpipes are interconnected. The statement is in contrast to the point raised by the Public Input. Many AHJ's are under a Min/Max system so since 7.5.1 states they shall be interconnected, they have no choice. By adding this section, the AHJ can now have the legal ability to allow standpipes to not be interconnected based on their fire fighting SOP's. Related Item Public Input No. 95-NFPA 14-2013 [New Section after 7.5.1] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Peter Schwab Organization: Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinkler Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Sep 23 12:53:51 EDT 2014

14 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 9-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 7.6.2 [Excluding any Sub-Sections] ] Standpipes that are part of a combined system in a building that is partially sprinklered shall be at least 6 in. (150 mm) in size. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment This modification is based on the Committee Rejection Statement for PI #96. Related Item Public Input No. 96-NFPA 14-2013 [Section No. 7.6.2] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Peter Schwab Organization: Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinkler Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Sep 23 13:00:31 EDT 2014

15 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 28-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 10.1 [Excluding any Sub-Sections] ] The volume water flow rate and pressure of a public water supply shall be determined from waterflow test data or other approved method. [24:5.1.2] Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Volume uses units of gallons. The correct reference is water flow rate - gpm Related Item First Revision No. 99-NFPA 14-2014 [Section No. 10.1] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: JAMES M FELD Organization: University of California Fire Prevention Division Affilliation: University of California Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Nov 13 18:17:31 EST 2014

Public Comment No. 10-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 10.1.1 ] 10.1.1 Daily and seasonal flow and pressure fluctuation data shall be provided by the water purveyor, and the fire protection design must account for both high and low variations. 10.1.1.1 Where these data are not available, design shall be based on the available water flow data. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment NFPA 13R and NFPA 24 made modifications to the rules for waterflow tests. NFPA 13 did not make this change. This will be a Correlating Committee Decision. The NFPA 14 committee should try and harmonize with the final outcome from the sprinkler project. Related Item Public Input No. 5-NFPA 14-2013 [Section No. 10.1] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Peter Schwab Organization: Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinkler Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Sep 23 13:12:46 EDT 2014 16 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM

17 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 19-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 11.4.1 ] 11.4.1 * General. All new systems, including yard piping and fire department connection piping, shall be tested hydrostatically at not less than 200 psi (13.8 bar) or 50 psi (3.5 bar) in excess of the system working pressure, whichever is greater, and shall maintain that pressure at ±5 psi (±0.35 bar) for 2 hours. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment The +/- 5 psi should apply only to the hydrostatic test of the underground fire main. This is covered in 11.4.3. It is not difficult to maintain the hydrostatic test pressure without leakage for the aboveground piping portion of the standpipe system. If temperature changes result in pressure fluctuations, the test should be conducted during a time when the change in ambient temperature is minimal (i.e., avoid sunrise and sunset). Contractors who have a difficult time maintaining the hydrostatic test pressure need to improve their workmanship practices. NFPA 14 should not be a mechanism to compensate for poor workmanship practices. Related Item First Revision No. 66-NFPA 14-2014 [Section No. 11.4.1] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: JAMES M FELD Organization: University of California Fire Prevention Division Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Nov 10 14:31:32 EST 2014

18 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 11-NFPA 14-2014 [ New Section after 11.5.1 ] 11.5.1.1 The test required by 11.5.1 shall be permitted to be waived when acceptable to the AHJ. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment The practice of flowing the entire system demand at the remote hose locations has been in the standard a long time. While it can prove that water is getting to the roof, is it necessary? The pump(s) are required to be tested. Usually these are in locations that make disposal of the thousands of gallons of water practical. By requiring the test on the roof, that water has to go somewhere. There have been multiple occurrences of a standpipe test discharge causing a roof leader drain to fail and flooding a building out at CO. All standpipes are required to be hydraulically calculated. If plans and calculations are performed and the system is installed to those plans, why are we not trusting the math? Do we require a bucket test for the remote area of a sprinkler system? If the committee cannot bear to lose this test, they should require a permanent drain adjacent to the remote standpipe capable of handling the flow for the acceptance. Related Item Public Input No. 50-NFPA 14-2013 [New Section after 11.5.1.1] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Peter Schwab Organization: Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinkler Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Sep 23 13:36:08 EDT 2014

19 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 20-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 11.5.2 [Excluding any Sub-Sections] ] For a manual standpipe, a fire department pumper or, portable pump of a capacity to provide required the required flow and pressure shall, or other approved means shall be used to verify the system design by pumping into the fire department connection. Add Annex A.11.5.2 A.11.5.2. It is not always necessary to use a pump to test a standpipe system. See Figure A.11.5.2(a), Figure A.11.5.2(b), and Figure A.11.5.2(c) for examples of possible test methods. When using the method shown in Figure A.11.5.2(c) it is necessary to flow the system demand while observing the pressures at the FDC inlet and the hydraulically remote standpipe hose valve. While the standpipe test may indicate that a grerater pressure is required at the FDC inlet than what was indicated in the hydraulic calculations, this is not necessarily a cause for failing the test. This greater pressure, if acceptable to the AHJ based on the ability of the fire apparatus to provide the additional pressure, needs to be incorporated into the standpipe sign required at the FDC by Section 6.4.5.2.2. Additional Proposed Changes File Name Description Approved Standpipe_Flow_Test_Methods.pdf Annex Section A.11.5.2 Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment It is not always necessary to use a pump to test a standpipe system. The proposed Annex material shows 3 test methods, the last of which does not use a pump. Consider where one provides 750 gpm at 75 psi at the FDC inlet resulting in 25 psi available at the hydraulically most remote standpipe outlet. If the standpipe required 100 psi at the hose valve, then adding 75 psi to both the FDC inlet pressure (75 psi) and the remote hose valve pressure (25 psi) means that if the FDC were supplied at 150 psi (75 psi + 75 psi), then 100 psi (25 psi + 75 psi) would be available at the hose valve outlet. Relying on the hydraulic calculations to demonstrate that the standpipe system will perform as calculated is dangerous. In testing numerous standpipe systems, I have experienced from 5 psi to 20 psi additional pressure over what the hydraulic calculations indicated. Testing of the standpipe is necessary in order to provide firefighters with the proper flows to fight a fire. The standpipe system represents the last chance at effecting extinguishment of the fire. A standpipe system that fails in a fire can result in firefighter injury or death. NFPA 14 should ensure that the system performs adequately when the system is new. Consider that standpipe training conducted by many fire departments includes how to use the standpipe assuming the supply from the FDC is inoperative. Many fire departments do not trust standpipe systems because they have had many problems. Related Item First Revision No. 71-NFPA 14-2014 [New Section after 11.5.2] Submitter Information Verification

20 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Submitter Full Name: JAMES M FELD Organization: University of California - Fire Prevention Division Affilliation: University of California Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Nov 10 18:36:03 EST 2014

Standpipe Flow Test Methods Test with pump through FDC 250 gpm 100 psi 250 gpm 250 gpm 150 psi Figure A.11.5.2(a)

Standpipe Flow Test Methods Test by Re-Circulating Water 100 psi No Hydrant No Water Discharge In-Line Flow Meter 250 gpm 250 gpm 150 psi 250 gpm Figure A.11.5.2(b)

Standpipe Flow Test Methods Test through FDC Without Pump FDC Valve 250 gpm 250 gpm 25 psi Test 75 25 ADD 75 75 Total 150 100 Flow 750 gpm 75 psi 250 gpm 750 gpm Figure A.11.5.2(c)

21 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 21-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 11.5.2.1 ] Delete Section 11.5.2.1 Where allowed by the authority having jurisdiction, the test required by 11.5.2 shall be permitted to be waived. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment The substantiation for this section indicated that many fire departments will not conduct the acceptance test due to the liability should something go wrong. Where the fire department will not provide a pump to test the system, the contractor should provided it. The conduct of the test is the contractor's responsibility, not the fire department's. Where a fire department will provide equipment to test the system, there typically is a charge for the service. So it is of no consequence whether the contractor pays the fire department or another company to provide the pump. See my Comment on Section11.5.2 indicating how the test can be conducted without a pump. Related Item First Revision No. 71-NFPA 14-2014 [New Section after 11.5.2] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: JAMES M FELD Organization: University of California - Fire Prevention Division Affilliation: University of California Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Nov 10 19:39:51 EST 2014

22 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 29-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. 11.8.4 ] 11.8.4 One set of instruction manuals for all major components of the standpipe system shall be provided to the building owner. The manual shall contain the following: (1) An explanation of the operation of the component (2) Instructions Manufacturer's instructions for routine maintenance (3) Instructions Manufacturer's i nstructions concerning repairs (4) Parts Manufacturer's p arts list and identification for serviceable components (5) A copy of the current edition of NFPA 25 Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Section 11.9 indicates that the manufacturer's instructions are to be provided. 11.8.3 would allow the contractor to provide handwritten instructions. Related Item First Revision No. 74-NFPA 14-2014 [Section No. 11.9] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: JAMES M FELD Organization: University of California Fire Prevention Division Affilliation: University of California Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Nov 13 18:27:41 EST 2014

23 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 17-NFPA 14-2014 [ New Section after A.7.3.2.2 ] A.7.3.2.5 A.7.3.2.5 The standard in section 7.3.2.1 requires that a standpipe be provided in each required exit stairwell. One arrangement that may be found in certain residential buildings is to have (2) remotely located exit stairs providing the occupants two distinct means of egress. This section allows a single hose connection to be located anywhere between the exit stairs provided the exit stairs are open and are located within 75 ft (23 m) of each other. (See figure A.7.3.2.5). Additional Proposed Changes File Name Description Approved NFPA_14_Single_Hose_Valve_in_Open_Breezeway.pdf Figure A.7.3.2.5 Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment This section and figure is being submitted on behalf of the Horizontal Exit task group. The task group was assigned the task to create an annex figure for section A.7.3.2.5. Related Item First Revision No. 119-NFPA 14-2014 [Global Input] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Peter Schwab Organization: Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinkler Affilliation: Horizontal Exit Task Group Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Fri Oct 31 08:48:28 EDT 2014

24 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Public Comment No. 12-NFPA 14-2014 [ Section No. A.7.10.1.2 ] A.7.10.1.2 See Section 14.4 of NFPA 13. When performing a hydraulic design, the hydraulic characteristics of each water supply need to be known. The procedure for determining the hydraulic characteristics of permanent water supplies, such as pumps, is fairly straightforward and is described in NFPA 20. The procedure for determining the hydraulic characteristics of fire apparatus supplying a standpipe system are similar. Lacking better information about local fire apparatus, a conservative design would accommodate a 1000 gpm (3785 L/min) fire department pumper performing at the level of design specifications set forth in NFPA 1901. NFPA 1901 specifies that fire department pumpers must be able to achieve three pressure/flow combinations. These are 100 percent of rated capacity at 150 psi (1034 kpa) net pump pressure, 70 percent of rated capacity at 200 psi (1379 kpa) net pump pressure, and 50 percent of rated capacity at 250 psi (1724 kpa) net pump pressure. Therefore, a 1000 gpm (3785 L/min) pumper can be expected to deliver no less than 1000 gpm (3785 L/min) at 150 psi (1034 kpa), 700 gpm (2650 L/min) at 200 psi (1379 kpa), and 500 gpm (1893 L/min) at 250 psi (1724 kpa). Residual supply pressure on the suction side of a pump from a municipal or other pressurized water supply can also be added. The 150 psi (1034 kpa) suggested pressure is also found in NFPA 13E. It also states that this is the pressure to be provided unless the sign at the fire department connection states otherwise. It is not the intent of this standard to limit the maximum pumper pressure at the fire department connection inlet for manual or automatic standpipes to 150 psi (1034 kpa). To perform a hydraulic design, one should determine the minimum required pressure and flow at the hydraulically most remote hose connection and calculate this demand back through system piping to each water supply, accumulating losses for friction and elevation changes and adding flows for additional standpipes and sprinklers at each point where such standpipes or sprinklers connect to the hydraulic design path. When considering fire apparatus as a water supply, flows are calculated from system piping through the fire department connection and back through connecting hoses to the pump. If the pressure available at each supply source exceeds a standpipe system's pressure demand at the designated flow, the design is acceptable. Otherwise, the piping design or the water supply needs to be adjusted. The intent of the standard is to require that each vertical standpipe serving two or more hose connections be capable of individually flowing 500 gpm (1893 L/min) and 250 gpm (946 L/min) at each of the two hydraulically most demanding connections at the required residual pressure. Given the requirement in 7.10.1.1.3 for the hydraulically most remote standpipe to supply this pressure and flow rate and given the minimum standpipe sizes in Section 7.6, the ability of standpipes that are not hydraulically most remote to satisfy this requirement is implicit and should not require additional hydraulic calculations. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment During the first draft, the committee made it clear that even with automatic standpipes, a calculation to the fire department connection is required. Many AHJ's refer to NFPA 13E which is a recommended practice and cite section 4.3.4 and limit the maximum pressure at the FDC inlet to 150 PSI for calculation purposes. This language makes it clear that the 150 psi is not a maximum. Related Item Public Input No. 97-NFPA 14-2013 [Section No. 7.7.1] Submitter Information Verification

25 of 25 1/15/2015 8:34 AM Submitter Full Name: Peter Schwab Organization: Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinkler Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Sep 23 13:55:40 EDT 2014

Attachment #3: Committee Roster

Address List No Phone Standpipes 03/13/2015 Chad Duffy David R. Hague Chair Liberty Mutual Insurance 20 Riverside Road Weston, MA 02493-2231 I 3/4/2009 Cecil Bilbo, Jr. Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology, Inc. 301 North Neil Street, Suite 426 Champaign, IL 61820-3170 Alternate: Michael Wade McDaniel SE 3/1/2011 Marinus Both Western States Fire Protection Company d.b.a. Statewide Fire Protection 3130 Westwood Drive Las Vegas, NV 89109 Alternate: John L. Hulett IM 7/28/2006 Randal G. Brown Randal Brown & Associates Engineering Ltd. 6 Lansing Square, Suite 105 Toronto, ON M2J 1T5 Canada Alternate: Don Casey SE 4/14/2005 Brian G. Conway Great Lakes Plumbing & Heating Company 4521 West Diversey Avenue Chicago, IL 60639 Illinois Fire Prevention Association Alternate: Jerry Graupman IM 4/14/2005 James Dockrill J&S Fire Sprinkler Design & Consulting 55 Woodrow Street St. Catharines, ON L2P 2A4 Canada Canadian Automatic Sprinkler Association Alternate: Jason W. Ryckman IM 8/2/2010 Jeff Hebenstreit UL LLC 484 Tamarach Drive Edwardsville, IL 62025-5246 Alternate: Daniel R. Weaver RT 08/11/2014 Thomas H. Jutras Engineering Planning & Management, Inc. 959 Concord Street Framingham, MA 01701 New England Association of Fire Protection System Designers IM 7/19/2002 Edwin A. Kotak, Jr. Robert W. Sullivan, Inc. 529 Main Street, Suite 203 Boston, MA 02129 SE 1/17/1997 Richard W. Kozel Livingston Fire Protection, Inc. 5150 Lawrence Place Hyattsville, MD 20781 IM 10/3/2002 Eric Lee Environmental Systems Design, Inc. 175 West Jackson Blvd., Suite 1400 Chicago, IL 60604 SE 1/10/2002 Stephen M. Leyton Protection Design and Consulting 2851 Camino Del Rio South, Suite 400 San Diego, CA 92108 American Fire Sprinkler Association Alternate: Thomas G. Wellen IM 7/12/2001 1

Address List No Phone Standpipes 03/13/2015 Chad Duffy Terence A. Manning JENSEN HUGHES 668 North 44th Street, Suite 240W Phoenix, AZ 85008 Alternate: Joseph A. Castellano SE 1/1/1989 Scott T. Martorano The Viking Corporation 210 North Industrial Park Road Hastings, MI 49058 M 8/5/2009 Kevin D. Maughan Tyco Fire Protection Products 1467 Elmwood Avenue Cranston, RI 02910 Alternate: Terry L. Victor M 4/14/2005 David R. Mettauer East Texas Fire Protection, Ltd. PO Box 4033 Palestine, TX 75802 National Association of Fire Equipment Distributors IM 3/4/2009 Bob D. Morgan Fort Worth Fire Department 1000 Throckmorton Street Fort Worth, TX 76102 E 8/2/2010 Rita L. Neiderheiser Road Sprinkler Fitters UA LU 669 PO Box 40393 Denver, CO 80204 United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of the Plumbing & Pipe Fitting Industry Alternate: Charles W. Ketner L 8/2/2010 John W. Norman III 264 Hewlett Avenue Merrick, NY 11566 SE 3/1/2011 James S. Peterkin Heery International 1717 Arch Street, Suite 3730 Philadelphia, PA 19103-2840 SE 8/2/2010 Maurice M. Pilette Mechanical Designs Ltd. 19 Erie Drive PO Box 2188 Natick, MA 01760 SE 1/1/1990 Edward J. Prendergast Wolf Technical Services 10344 South Leavitt Chicago, IL 60643 SE 8/5/2009 Rich Richardson Seattle Fire Department 220 Third Avenue South, 2nd Floor Seattle, WA 98104 Alternate: Gary L. English E 1/14/2005 Daniel Sanchez City of Los Angeles Building & Safety 201 North Figueroa Street, Suite 400 Los Angeles, CA 90012 E 10/18/2011 Peter T. Schwab Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, FL 34761-3033 IM 7/29/2005 Kyle J. Smith Cobb County Fire & Emergency Services 4844 Dartford Drive Powder Springs, GA 30127 Alternate: Christopher Sobieski E 10/20/2010 2

Address List No Phone Standpipes 03/13/2015 Chad Duffy Mark Summers Los Alamos National Laboratory 1300 Iris Street, Suite 208 Los Alamos, NM 87544 U 03/07/2013 Ronald N. Webb S.A. Comunale Company, Inc. 2900 Newpark Drive Barberton, OH 44203 National Fire Sprinkler Association Alternate: John B. Corso M 10/23/2003 Jim Widmer Potter Roemer FIRE PRO PO Box 3237 Montgomery, AL 36109-1405 Fire Equipment Manufacturers' Association Alternate: Jeff Saunders M 10/23/2003 Don Casey Alternate Randal Brown & Associates Engineering Ltd. Suite 105-6 Lansing Square Toronto, ON M2J 1T5 Canada : Randal G. Brown SE 10/18/2011 Joseph A. Castellano Alternate JENSEN HUGHES 3384 Peachtree Road, Suite 550 Atlanta, GA 30326-2826 : Terence A. Manning SE 08/11/2014 John B. Corso Alternate National Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc. 2400 Tyler Lane Louisville, KY 40205 : Ronald N. Webb M 1/10/2008 Gary L. English Alternate Seattle Fire Department 220 Third Avenue South Seattle, WA 98104 : Rich Richardson E 1/14/2005 Jerry Graupman Alternate Great Lakes Plumbing & Heating Company 4521 West Diversey Avenue Chicago, IL 60639 Illinois Fire Prevention Association : Brian G. Conway IM 8/9/2011 John L. Hulett Alternate Western States Fire Protection Company 7020 South Tucson Way Centennial, CO 80112-6791 : Marinus Both IM 1/10/2008 Charles W. Ketner Alternate National Automatic Sprinkler Fitters LU 669 Joint Apprenticeship & Training Committee 7050 Oakland Mills Road Columbia, MD 20732 United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of the Plumbing & Pipe Fitting Industry : Rita L. Neiderheiser L 8/2/2010 Michael Wade McDaniel Alternate F Tech Volcan Momotombo 2714, Col. El Colli Urbano Zapopan, Jalisco, 45070 Mexico : Cecil Bilbo, Jr. SE 03/07/2013 Jason W. Ryckman Alternate Canadian Automatic Sprinkler Association 335 Renfrew Drive, Suite 302 Markham, ON L3R 9S9 Canada : James Dockrill IM 10/28/2014 3

Address List No Phone Standpipes 03/13/2015 Chad Duffy Jeff Saunders Alternate Wilson & Cousins Interior Fire Protection 4390 Paletta Court, Unit M Burlington, ON L7L 5R2 Canada Fire Equipment Manufacturers' Association : Jim Widmer M 07/29/2013 Christopher Sobieski Alternate Cobb County Fire & Emergency Services 1500 Powers Ferry Road Marietta, GA 30067-5414 : Kyle J. Smith E 10/29/2012 Terry L. Victor Alternate Tyco/SimplexGrinnell 705 Digital Drive, Suite N Linthicum, MD 21090-2267 : Kevin D. Maughan M 03/07/2013 Daniel R. Weaver Alternate UL LLC 333 Pfingsten Road Northbrook, IL 60062-2096 : Jeff Hebenstreit RT 10/20/2010 Thomas G. Wellen Alternate American Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc. 12750 Merit Drive, Suite 350 Dallas, TX 75251 American Fire Sprinkler Association : Stephen M. Leyton IM 03/05/2012 James W. Nolan Member Emeritus James W. Nolan Company 633 Florence Drive Park Ridge, IL 60068 SE 1/1/1965 Chad Duffy Staff Liaison National Fire Protection Association 1 Batterymarch Park Quincy, MA 02169-7471 4/18/2011 4