Ancestors of Baron DE THIERRY Charles Antoine DE THIERRY and Mm DE LAVILLE (Weblink DT1 Ancestors of Baron)

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1 Ancestors of Baron DE THIERRY Charles Antoine DE THIERRY and Mm DE LAVILLE (Weblink DT1 Ancestors of Baron) Charles Antoine DE THIERRY B Europe D Europe or England M about 1788 Parish Marie Louise Pierrette DE LAVILLE B Europe D Europe or England Children: 1. Caroline DE THIERRY born about 1791 Laque at the Orange palace Holland died Charles Philip Hippolytus DE THIERRY born about 23 April 1793 Grave Holland died 1864 Auckland New Zealand 3. Louis DE THIERRY born 1795 in Woodford Bridge London died Francis DE THIERRY born 1797 in London died James DE THIERRY born 1805 in London died Frederick DE THIERRY born 1807 in London died 1865 The family history of Baron Charles Antoine DE THIERRY and Mm DE LAVILLE Charles Antoine DE THIERRY during period 1788 married (Mm) Marie Louise Pierrette de LAVILLE daughter of Marquis de Monbion on Marie Antionettes Bounty, Paris. Soon after they fled to Holland to escape mobs of Paris. In Paris in March 1788 the mobs of commoners had sent most of the French Royalists to Lady Guillotine including King Richard. Young Baron DE THIERRY set himself the task of weeding out the traitors from the Royalists. The widow Mm DE LAVILLE, daughter of the Marquis DE MONBION, came to Paris to see her daughter married on Marie Antoinettes Bounty met a different fate. She took refuge in a Paris Church. Fifteen pikes pinned her to the Alter as this terrified woman begged for mercy. Mobs of commoners would gather each day to watch and cheer as each Royalist lost his head. The first DE THIERRY to lose his head does so in 1792 and before the year is out 14 more of the DE THIERRY family met with the same fate. Young Baron DE THIERRY and his newly wed wife Marie were the only DE THIERRY to escape the guillotines. They were safely in Grave, Holland when King Louis was beheaded. She was heavily in child at this time. Charles and Marie oldest child Caroline DE THIERRY was born about 1791 in Laque at the Orange palace Holland just after her parents fled from the Paris mobs. Charles and Marie had a son Charles Philip Hippolytus DE THIERRY who was born about 23 April 1793 in Grave Holland. The DE THIERRY family left Holland and arrived in England on 14 November 1794 and by 1795 the family were living in Woodford Bridge. 1

2 It was upon their arrival in England that Charles started to use the title of BARON. The Baron and Marie had a son Louis DE THIERRY who was born about 1795 in Woodford Bridge London. In 1796 the Baron took his oldest son Charles then aged 3 years to visit Comte d ARTOIS the younger brother of King Louis XVI of France who was living at Holyrood House in Edinburgh Scotland. It was here that Charles became the Godson of Comte d Artois. Between 1796 and 1802 the De Thierry family lived in various areas of Southern England. Other homes included 1796 Marylebone Park, No 1 & 4 New Road London 1798 an apartment in Northern Street near Great Portland Road London, later Weymouth, Bath and Blanford and returning to London around The Baron and Baroness had a son Francis DE THIERRY who was born about 1797 in England. The Baron and Baroness had a son James DE THIERRY who was born about 1804 in England. The Baron and Baroness had a son Frederick DE THIERRY who was born about 1807 in England. Someone said that the Baron and Baroness had another child Cecile DE THIERRY who was born in London and died of typhoid but I have been unable to located information confirmation. The Baron moved back to France and around 1814 and the Baroness remained in Paris when the Baron returned to England. In 1820 the Baron was living alone in England. The Baron and Baroness died in either France or England but dates and details are unknown. Baron and Baroness DE THIERRY his children and descendants 1- Caroline DE THIERRY born about 1791 Laque at the Orange palace Holland died st married 1808 Charles Antoine Pierre Henri Vicomte DE FROTTE born died 1813 Portugal 2 nd married January 1821 in London Gardozo Pinto TAVERA born died 1882 Oporto and Lisbon 1-1- Georgina DE FROTTE born 1809 died married 1825 Mr BATTIER Male BATTIER Male BATTIER Georgina BATTIER born died married Nouno Bento de Brito TABORDO Caroline first married very young about 1808 when she was 17 Charles Antoine Pierre Henri Vicomte DE FROTTE half brother of the Royalist General Assassinated by the police of Napoleon in The marriage was not recognized by the FROTTE family. FROTTE was a captain paymaster in the regiment of the Duke of Brunswick in the service of Great Britain and was killed in Portugal in He left a daughter Georgina born in Caroline received a widow s pension from the British Government and remarried Gardozo Pinto 2

3 TAVERA in January 1821 in London. TAVERA was a rich landed proprietor in Portugal in the Amarantha district about a dozen kilometres from Oporto. He took part in the retreat from Moscow in one of the two regiments of cavalry of the famous Portuguese Legion commanded by General Don Pedro dal Meida, Marquis da Lordna. He was drowned in 1882 between Oporto and Lisbon and his wife inherited his estate. In the meantime Georgina had been brought up at Worthing near Brighton and in 1825 married one BATTIER ex-officer of the British cavalry at the British Embassy in Paris the only witness who signed the marriage contract being Laly-TOLLENDAL an old friend of the family. A few years later Georgina lost her husband and was left with three children, two boys and a girl also named Georgina. Nothing is known of what happened to the boys but Georgina I and Georgina II first went to Lisbon to live with Caroline but mother and daughter proved incompatible and finally separated. Georgina II married Nouno Bento de Brito TABORDO ancestor of the present Count of Castello BRANCO. 2- Charles Philip Hippolytus DE THIERRY born about April 1793 Grave Holland died 08 July 1864 Auckland buried Symonds cemetery Auckland NZ married about 08 May 1819 England Emilie/Emily Mary RUDGE born England died about 1856 Auckland buried Symonds cemetery Auckland NZ 2-1- Charles Thomas Frederick DE THIERRY born about 1820 Cambridge England 2-2- Richard Louis Francis James DE THIERRY born about 1821 Cambridge England 2-3- George DE THIERRY born about 1825 Paris France 2-4- Isabella Margaret DE THIERRY born 03 January 1828 New York America 2-5- William John DE THIERRY born 10 September 1830 Grundy Row Baltimore America Charles later used the title of Baron and along with his family they settled in New Zealand where there are numerous descendants of Baron DE THIERRY. This is where the DE THIERRY families of New Zealand Genealogy begin. 3- Louis DE THIERRY born about 1795 in London and died about 1863 married Frances ALLEN born died 3-1- Male DE THIERRY born died 3-2- DE THIERRY Louis became a captain in the Royal Marines in 1810 to He took part in the American war in Some time after 1826 Louis retired from the Royal Marines (invalided out) and married Frances ALLEN reputed to be a natural daughter of George the First. If this was so her mother could well have been a rival of Daphne du Maurier. Louis eventually in Genoa where he dealt wholesale in coal from Cardiff a business that was continued by one of his sons. The business prospered but in the hands of his children Louis fortune was quickly dissipated the business foundered and the family dispersed. Some returned to England and some remained in Italy. It is said that some emigrated to Canada and settled in or near Vancouver. George the First , son of Sophia, maternal granddaughter of James I, and Ernest Augustus, elector of Hanover in the reign of the House of Hanover 3

4 (Reference Handbook of Kings and Queens by John E. Morby) 4- Francois DE THIERRY born about 1797 in London and died 1842 married about 1839 Elizabeth DUNCAN born Scotland died 4-1- Female DE THIERRY born 1840 Parish died Male DE THIERRY born died married Francis became a cadar in the navy about the same time as his brother. As a former midshipman in the Royal Navy he left the Navy and devoted himself to promoting his brother Charles Philippes s schemes. From 1823 to 1837 he was attached to the French Department of Foreign Affairs for a time as Cabinet Courier to Portugal (about 1830) and possibly also may have been appointed to some post in Baltimore. He was active in his brother s affairs between 1837 and 1842 when de Thierry was agitating for French support for his New Zealand venture. Francis was a friend of D ANTRAIGUES and married a Scottish lady about 1839 Elizabeth DUNCAN. A daughter born in Paris in 1840 survived only one year but a son born a little later was more fortunate. Francis was ruined by the collapse of DE THIERRY s schemes and took his own life in James DE THIERRY born 1805 in London died 1855 married 1 st Alexandrine Francoise Dieudonne de Gaudechart DE QUERRIEU born died 1842 (6 issue) married 2 nd 1851 Irma LOMPREDE born about 1829 I Ariege died 5-1- Males (3) & Females (3) DE THIERRY born between 1830 to 1842 Creil Chantilly 5-2- Males (3) & Females (3) DE THIERRY born between 1830 to 1842 Creil Chantilly 5-3- Males (3) & Females (3) DE THIERRY born between 1830 to 1842 Creil Chantilly 5-4- Males (3) & Females (3) DE THIERRY born between 1830 to 1842 Creil Chantilly 5-5- Males (3) & Females (3) DE THIERRY born between 1830 to 1842 Creil Chantilly 5-6- Males (3) & Females (3) DE THIERRY born between 1830 to 1842 Creil Chantilly James DE THIERRY known as the Chevalier DE THIERRY married Alexandrine Francoise Dieudonne de Gaudechart DE QUERRIEU who was allied to the Rohan Rochefort family. She was related in one way or another to most of the royal houses of Europe including the House of Hapsburg. Between 1830 and 1842 he had three daughters and three sons and appears to have led a very settled left at Creil near Chantilly. In 1842 James lost his wife. In 1851 he married again this time 1851 Irma LOMPREDE a brunette of 22 or 23 from I Ariege who appears to have belonged to a different social stratum from that of his first wife. This second marriage was regarded by the rest of the family as a folly only a part compensated by James financial independence. 6- Frederick Auguste DE THIERRY born 1807 in London died 1865 married 1 st about 1827 Ann JOSEPH born died (1 Issue) married 2 nd Anne Sophie Pauline ROLAND born died 1860 (1 Issue) married 3 rd Francoise Pauline PAQUEREAU born died 6-1- Georgina DE THIERRY born about 12 November 1828 married 1850 Jean Baptiste Leon de la Blanchardie De Laudeypie 6-2- Isabelle DE THIERRY born died young 4

5 Frederick Auguste who also styled himself Chevalier DE THIERRY was appointed Cabinet Courier by de MOLE and remained in the Department of Foreign Affairs for more than 30 years serving mainly in Russia and Portugal. He married a certain Ann JOSEPH in 1827 or 1828 but his wife left him with his daughter Georgina born in November He subsequently married Anne Sophie Pauline ROLAND from whom he had a second daughter Isabelle that did not survive. In 1850 his daughter Georgina married an officer of the Army of Africa, Jean Baptiste Leon de la Blanchardie De Laudeypie. Frederick was left a widower again in 1860 and married once more this time to a widow Francoise Pauline PAQUEREAU. Miscellaneous DE THIERRY information The order of Baronage stated is only partly correct. 1 st Baron Charles Antoine DE THEIRRY 2 nd Baron Charles Philippe DE THEIRRY 3 rd Baron Charles Thomas DE THEIRRY 4 th Baron Charles Richard DE THEIRRY (declined) 4 th Baron Frederick James DE THEIRRY 5 th Baron Lionel Nye DE THEIRRY (on the death of Lionel Nye on 28 November 1941 the senior male line was extinct, the Baronage passed to the eldest male descent of the Baron Charles Philippe s second son George Hammond I Line) 6 th Baron George Hammond DE THEIRRY 7 th Baron Charles Harvey DE THEIRRY 8 th Baron Reynolds Harvey DE THEIRRY alias Boy of Pirongia The Baron Charles Philippe Hippolyte de THIERRY was not able to prove his line of descent from the de THIERRY family. As a consequence of this the ancestors stated must be view with scepticism. In the absence of real evidence circumstantial evidence is only acceptable when a specific statement is collaborated by repetition of the same statements by a number of unrelated sources. Any Family tree that deviates from this formula is worthless. A comment made about the Baron Charles Philippe de THIERRY and attributed to the Author of Sovereign Chief A Biography of Baron de THIERRY Mr J D REESIDE who said When de Thierry had a pen in his hands he could transport himself into a world of Fantasy - He could write and believe the most outrageous fancies and indulge in the most unscrupulous inventions. Miscellaneous DE THIERRY transcripts by Country Cemetery of Staglieno Genoa Italy burials Chevalier Lewis de THIERRY Frances Ellinor de THIERRY Emmelina de THEIRRY [additional details below for another Emmelina] Albert Edward Eugene Lewis de THIERRY [additional details below] The cemetery is famous for monumental sculptures and one of the largest cemeteries in Europe (Reference cemetery transcription from ancient history researcher Marco Cazzulo Genoa Italy) 5

6 0- Albert Edward Eugene Lewis De THIERRY born about died 17 July 1923 Italy married Emma (De THIERRY) maiden name unknown born died 01 December 1931 Naples Italy #DE THIERRY Albert Edward Augene Lewis of Via Lorenzo Stallo 8.3 Genoa Italy died 17 July 1923 Administration (limited) London 29 January 1924 to James Henry Rennoldson solicitor the attorney of Emma de Thierry widow. Effects s 6d. reference Ancestry website England & Wales National Probate Calendar (index to Wills and Administration) , #DE THIERRY Albert Edward Eugene Lewis of Via Lorenzo Stallo 8-3 Genoa Italy died 17 July 1923 Administration (limited) London 10 August to Holt and Company Trustees attorney of Emma de Thierry widow. Effects s 6d Former Grant P R Jamnurary 1924 (cessate) reference England & Wales National Probate Calendar (index of Wills and Administration) , #De THIERRY Emma of 23 Via Luigia Sanfelice Vomero Naples Italy widow died 01 December 1931 Probate Newcastle-upon-Tyne 18 February to Messrs. Hold and Company truseets Effects s 1a reference England & Wales National Probate Calendar (index of Wills and Administration) , Lewis de THIERRY married Frances Ellenor (De THIERRY) maiden name unknown 0-0- Lewis Robert Augustus de THIERRY born 17 April 1831 Chaplaincy Genova Italy #Lewis Robert Augustus de THIERRY born 17 April 1831 Chaplaincy Genova Italy baptised 03 November 1831 British Chaplaincy Genova Italy father Lewis de Thierry mother Frances Ellenor de Thierry reference Ancestry website FHC LDS microfilm Robert WALKER married Lydia May UNKNOWN 0-0- Emmelina de THIERRY WALKER born 14 May 1890 Naples Italia #Emelina de Thierry Walker female single birth date 14 May 1890 place Italia arrived 1947 Rio de Janeiro Brazil father Robert Walker mother Lydia May reference Ancestry website immigration FHC LDS microfilm & ENGLAND, WALES and SCOTLAND Birth registration England Charles Francis DE THIERRY born 1842 March quarter Bermondsey district Surrey volume 4 page 27 Albert Victor DE THIERRY born 1871 June quarter Westminster district London Middlesex volume 1a page 424 Alice Annie I DE THIERRY born 1872 September quarter Westminster district London Middlesex volume 1a page 44 Emmeline Ruth DE THIERRY died 1901 June quarter Cardiff district Glamorgan Monmouthshire volume 11a page 420 Aura R_Amond DE THIERRY born 1910 June quarter Ellham district Kent volume 2a page 1126 (Reference National Library of NZ Ancestry birth registration England) Death registration England Philippe DE THIERRY born about 1827 died 1887 Pancras district London Middlesex volume 1b page 109 Charles Francis DE THIERRY died 1842 Bermondsey district Surrey volume 4 page 9 Arthur Marcus Redford DE THIERRY died 1846 Lambeth district Greater London, London Surrey Arthur Marquis Redford DE THIERRY died 1846 Lambeth district Greater London, London Surrey volume 4 page 174 Frederick Louis DE THIERRY born about 1868 died 1893 Pancras district London Middlesex volume 1b page 36 6

7 Emmeline Ruth DE THIERRY born about 1901 died 1901 Cardiff district Glamorgan Monmouthshire volume 11a page 209 (Reference National Library of NZ Ancestry death registration England) Marriage registration England Charles Francis DE THIERRY married 1839 December quarter volume 2 page 49 Holborn district London Middlesex Elizabeth DE THIERRY and Elizabeth DETHIERRY married 1849 September quarter volume 4 page 389 Lambeth district Greater London, London Surrey Edward DE THIERRY married 1863 June quarter volume 10b page 193 Newcastle Upon Tyne district Northumberland Tyne and Wear Charles F DE THIERRY married 1868 volume 1a page 748 St James Westminster district Middlesex Philippe DE THIERRY married 1879 volume 1b page 75 Pancras district London Middlesex Phillipe DE THIERRY married 1879 volume 1b page 75 Pancras district London Middlesex Albert Edward E L DE THIERRY married 1886 March quarter volume 10a page 793 South Shields district Durham Tyne and Wear Fanny DE THIERRY married 1900 September quarter volume 1a page 56 Paddington district Greater London, London Middlesex Martin DE THIERRY married 1918 June quarter volume 2b page 1472 Christchurch district Hampshire to Gladys E CASTLE Robert L H DE THIERRY married 1923 September quarter volume 1a page 1333 St Martin district London to PHILLIPS Robert L H DE THIERRY married 1923 September quarter volume 1a page 1333 St Martin district London to HUGHES (Reference National Library of NZ Ancestry marriage registration England) ENGLAND CENSUS 1841 Census Ely Place Saffron Hill St Andrew Holborn Ossulstone Middlesex England C L DE THIERRY age 40 (born about 1810) Independent born Middlesex London (Reference National Library of NZ Ancestry 1841 census Saffron Hill St Andrew Holborn Ossulstone Middlesex England) 1861 Census 9 Westmartin Terrace St John Westgate Northumberland England Edward DE THIERRY Lodger unmarried age 19 (born about 1842) Commercial Clerk born Italy (British Subject) (Reference National Library of NZ Ancestry 1861 census St John Westgate Northumberland England ED10 household 112) 1881 Census 18 Blacket Place Newington district Edinburgh St Cuthberts Midlothian Scotland Eliza DE THIERRY age 22 (born about 1859) born Italy (British Subject) Beatrice GARTLY age 20 Jessie MCKAY age 29 Jemima GRANT age 22 (Reference National Library of NZ Ancestry 1881 census Scotland Edinburgh ED75 household 70 Line 5registration number 685/5) 1901 census 44 Plasturton Gardens St John Cardiff Wales Albert E DE THIERRY head married age 40 (born about 1861) Coal Merchant Manager born Lyhorn (British subject) Italy speaks English Emmade DE THIERRY wife married age 41 (born about 1860) born South Shields Durham England speaks English Robert L DE THIERRY son single age 12 (born about 1889) born Italy (British subject) speaks English John L DE THIERRY son age 10 (born about 1891) born Italy (British subject) speaks English 7

8 May DE THIERRY daughter age 7 (born about 1894) born Italy (British subject) speaks English Matilda SENN visitor single age 19 born Italy (Swiss) speaks French Sophia JENKINS servant single age 20 General servant born Solva (British subject) Pem speaks both Maud CARMER servant single age 21 General servant born Colchester (British subject) Essex English Mabel DE THIERRY visitor single age 30 (born about 1871) born Italy (British subject) speaks English (Reference National Library of NZ Ancestry 1901 census St John Cardiff West Cardiff Wales ED2 household 219) Military British Army United Kingdom John Lawrence DE THIERRY 21 st Royal Fusiliers Tank Corps regimental number 7679 Lieutenant temporary Captain address Fairfield Mountjoy Road Huddersfield served in France during World War One Medal Star, Victory Medal & British War Medal issued 07 October 1921 R L DE THIERRY 21 st Royal Fusiliers Tank Corps regimental number M/7680 rank temporary Lieutenant address Via Loreuzo, Steello, 8/3 Ginoa Italy then C/- Miss Middlemost 6 Mountjoy Road Huddersfield served in France during World War One Medal Star, Victory Medal & British War Medal issued 08 October 1920 AUSTRALIA Orion shipping line Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd departure Sydney Australia arrived 05 October 1956 landed at Southampton England Voyage Sydney, Hobart, Melbourne, Adelaide and Fremantle ship official number 6818/01 R L DE THIERRY 1 st class travel number 221 embarked Fremantle Male date of birth 04 August 1888 (age 68 years) married address in England Penrhyndeudraeth Merionethshire occupation Retired Citizen of England last permanent residence United Kingdom country of intended residence United Kingdom Stay permanent UK J C DE THIERRY 1 st class travel number 222 female birth date 20 October 1883 (age 72 years) married address in England Penrhyndeudraeth Merionethshire occupation Retired Citizen of England last permanent residence United Kingdom country of intended residence United Kingdom Stay permanent UK (Reference National Library of NZ Ancestry website) Osterley British ship arrived 10 April 1922 Sydney New South Wales Australia Mr J L DE THIERRY (Reference National Library of NZ Ancestry website) 1930 Electoral Roll Darlinghurst East Sydney New South Wales Australia Henry Thomas DE THIERRY 35 King s Cross Road Carpenter male CANADA Francois Nicolas De Chassin DE THIERRY Officer died 1755 Quebec Louisbourg Ile Royale (Reference National Library of NZ Ancestry Canadian Genealogy Index untitled manuscript Volume 115, 116) UNITED STATES OF AMERICA New York passengers lists George DE THIERRY arrival date 03 April 1927 age 64 years born about 1863 Genoa Italy Professor port of departure Bremen Germany 22 March 1927 Nationality German Ship Munchen also Maria DE THIERRY age 62 female married wife born CSR Prag Nationality German Isa DE THIERRY arrival date 22 December 1932 age 47 years female born about 1885 Genoa Italy port of departure Genoa Italy Nationality English Ship Rex 8

9 Robert DE THIERRY arrival date 06 January 1932 age 43 years 3 months born about 1888 Milan Italy occupation Engineer port of departure Liverpool England Nationality Italian Ship Bedford Claudia DE THIERRY arrival date 26 September 1950 age 41 born about 1909 port of departure Rome Italy Nationality Italian address 58 East 79 N.Y.C. Claudia DE THIERRY arrival date 29 September 1951 age 42 years born about 1909 port of departure Rome Italy Nationality Italian address 58 East 79 th Street N.Y.C. Claudina Anna Maria DE THIERRY arrival date 18 October 1948 age 39 years born about 1909 port of departure Genoa Italy Nationality Italian Ship Nea Hellas address C/- Hugh J Chisholm Woodbury Conn Helma M DE THIERRY arrival date 09 September 1953 port of departure Genoa Italy Ship Homeland 1900 United States Federal Census Kings New York Chas DE THIERRY head age 56 born 1844 England arrived USA 1874 occupation Chandelier manufacturer and wife Maria DE THIERRY age 44 born 1856 South Carolina New York 1900 United States Federal Census Kings New York Alfousa DE THIERRY boarder widower age 50 born 1849 France father born France Mother born France arrived USA 1880 occupation Saddle manufacturer and son Leo F DE THIERRY age 12 born 1887 Maryland father born France mother born Maryland occupation at School 9