BECS COMMITTEE POSITIONS ICC 2015 Public Hearings Memphis, TN April 19-28, 2015

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1 ICC 205 Public Hearings Memphis, TN April 9-28, 205 IFG C s Action Section Submitter(s) Position Reason FG Gas-Fired Toilet New Definition Donald Jones with modification Modify to read: TOILET, GAS-FIRED A toilet that burns excrement instead of flushing it away with water. Modification reason Provide a more general definition. FG Appliance Definition FG Mechanical Joint Curtis Dady definition Viega FG Furnace Definitions FG Pipe Definition FG Gas Appliance Regulator Definition FG Monitoring Regulator New Definition FG Series Regulator New Definition FG Integral Gas Valve Type Thermostat Definition FG Unit Heater Definitions FG 5 FG Prohibited Locations [new clothes dryer allowance] Fireplaces and decorative appliances in Group I-2 Condition 2 occupancies Timothy Manz John Williams, Adhoc Health Care Committee with modification Modify to read: 6. A clothes dryer installed in a residential bathroom or toilet room having a permanent opening with an area of not less than 00 square inches that communicates with a space outside of a sleeping room, bathroom, toilet room or storage closest. Reason for modification Limit such installations to residential applications and eliminate undefined terms such as common hallway and common spaces. No objection to the new requirements for these occupancies.

2 ICC 205 Public Hearings Memphis, TN April 9-28, 205 IFG C s Action Section Submitter(s) Position Reason FG Pit locations Guy McMann The proponent claims the new requirements will not increase the cost of installation but is appears a deeper and wider pit may become necessary. No cost analysis is provided. No justification for the 6-inch clearance. No justification provided to increase the 2-inch to a 30-inch clearance on the control side. FG (NEW) Existing Note: this is being presented to the ICC as an M 09-5 Part II Appliances Air handler enclosures FG 5 5 No proposal published. FG Identification FG Identification FG Identification Bruce Swiecicki - NPGA FG 9 5 FG 20 5 FG 2 5 FG 22 5 FG Third-party testing and certification 40.0 Third-party testing and certification Piping through foundation wall Piping through foundation wall Piping through foundation wall Bruce Swiecicki - NPGA Guy McMann Bob Torbin Omega Flex FG 7 over FG 6 and FG 8. if FG 7 fails. FG 7 over FG 6 and FG 8. if FG 6 and FG 7 fail FG 20 over FG 9. FG 9 if FG 20 fails. FG 22 over FG 2. if FG 22 fails. FG 22 over FG 23 if FG 22 fails extract from the NFG C. No modifications are allowed. Overly restrictive. Would require circulating air for air movement equipment even where the fuel-fired appliance is direct vent or isolated from other equipment. Enclosure is not clearly defined and could apply to the entire building. Not technically clear in that a heat pump does not have circulating air.

3 ICC 205 Public Hearings Memphis, TN April 9-28, 205 IFG C s Action Section Submitter(s) Position Reason FG Protection against corrosion FG Piping underground beneath buildings Bob Torbin Omega Flex with modification Modify as follows: Piping underground beneath buildings. Piping installed underground beneath buildings is prohibited except where the piping is encased in a conduit of wrought iron, plastic pipe, steel pipe, a piping or encasement system listed for installation beneath buildings, or other approved conduit material designed to withstand the superimposed loads. The conduit shall be protected from corrosion in accordance with Section 404. and shall be installed in accordance with Section or Modification Reason The piping or encasement system must be specifically listed for use beneath a building and not just a listed sleeve system which may not cover such locations. FG Tracer FG 27 5 FG 28 5 FG 29 5 FG Sediment trap [other devises] Sediment trap [clothes dryers] Located within the same room [shutoff valves] Located at manifold [shutoff valves located 50ft away] FG Shutoff valves in tubing systems FG MP regulators Brent Ursenbach Utah Chapter ICC FG Excess flow valves Netural The code requires other device used as a sediment trap to be approved by the AHJ. Their elimination as a viable option based on code misinterpretation is not justified. The list of exempted appliances are for those requiring user input to manually start and where a malfunction would be apparent. Clothes dryers are attended appliances with the lack of drying would be apparent to the user. No evidence provided that having a shutoff valve located on another floor presents a hazard (as raised in the justification). The allowance has been in the IFGC since the 2009 Edition. No code requirement does not prevent the installation of a second shutoff valve at the appliance. The proposal would be acceptable.

4 ICC 205 Public Hearings Memphis, TN April 9-28, 205 IFG C s Action Section Submitter(s) Position Reason FG Connecting appliances 4.4 Injection Bunsen-type burners [gas hoses in labs and educational facilities] FG 35 5 FG Manufactured home connections 502. General [Cat IV plastic vents to be listed to UL 738] Larry Gill IPEX USA FG Forced air furnace Guy McMann - FG Prohibited source [return Guy McMann - air from indoor pool areas] FG 39 5 FG Prohibited locations [unvented heaters in new dwelling units] Prohibited location [commercial cooking appliances No evidence provided that gas piping installed under a manufactured home has resulted in an accident or is a hazard. The code allows the installation of gas piping in crawl spaces and other concealed locations. The revision will create a conflict with Table which requires that vents for Category IV appliances are to be specified or furnished by the manufacture of the listed appliance. The Category IV manufacturer may not have had their appliance evaluated with all UL 738 venting materials. Listed Category IV appliances are required by the ANSI product standards to be evaluated with the manufacturer s specified venting material. The 205 IFGC Edition contains a revised Section , Plastic Pipe, to clarify that the manufacturer shall identify the specific plastic piping that is to be used. No technical justification provided to restrict return air from indoor pool locations since no evidence provided that humid locations negative impact forced air appliances. Overly restrictive since a dedicated force air system serving only the indoor pool area would be prohibited (could not that return air from the space). Craig Conner No new technical justification provided. in residential units] FG Location [water heaters] Guy McMann - Reference to 303 is not needed for clarity. Section 303 installation requirements apply to all appliances and it has not been necessary to provide a reference to 303 for other appliances covered in chapter 6.

5 ICC 205 Public Hearings Memphis, TN April 9-28, 205 IFG C s Action Section Submitter(s) Position Reason FG 42 5 Part I Water heaters utilized for space heating.? I don t like it but the proponent is correct in that a water heater not supplying the potable water system is not a water heater by definition. Need to discuss. Action IMC FG 45-5 Part III IMC s Section Impacted Submitter(s) Position Reason Water heaters utilized for space heating M Acces (TO), Ready Access (TO) [Door] M Ventilation definition M Fireplaces in Group I-2 Condition Solid fuel-burning fireplaces and appliances in Group I-2 Condition 2 M Central Furnaces Part I M 46-5 [working clearances] Makeup air required (New) Makeup air dampers John Williams, Ad hoc Health Care Committee Mike Moore Broan-Nu Tone/Newport Ventures? I don t like it but the proponent is correct in that a water heater not supplying the potable water system is not a water heater by definition. Need to discuss. The proposed change is overly restrictive. In the case of Access, removing door from the definition would prohibit the installation of devices and equipment currently allowed in closet locations. The two definitions are well understood. Overly restrictive since the proposed change would require the introduction of outdoor for ventilation purposes. For fuel-fired appliances, ventilation applies to the cooling of the appliance through the movement of room air. The term as currently used in the IMC and IFG C is accurate. No objection to the new requirements for these occupancies. Similar proposal is FG 2-5. The current makeup air requirement appliance to any space whether there is fuel fire appliance installed or not. The makeup air for these high exhaust system not only impacts fuel-fire appliances, but other building performance issues, such as moisture infiltration into building wall cavities that may be caused by excessive negative building pressures. The proposed revision restricts the need for makeup air only to where fuel fire appliances are installed which ignores other crucial building performance issues.

6 ICC 205 Public Hearings Memphis, TN April 9-28, 205 Action IMC s Section Impacted Submitter(s) Position Reason IMC M General [pool heaters] Jennifier Hatfield / APSP M09-5 Part I 929. Air handler enclosures Gas-fired pool heater coverage is required to be in the IFGC. The proposal would be acceptable if modified to eliminate Gas-Fired pool heater coverage. Overly restrictive. Would require circulating air for air movement equipment even where the fuel-fired appliance is direct vent or isolated from other equipment. Enclosure is not clearly defined and could apply to the entire building. Not technically clear in that a heat pump does not have circulating air. Action IPC None IPC s Section Impacted Submitter(s) Position Reason Action IRC FG 45-5 Part II M 5-5 Part II IRC s Section Impacted Submitter(s) Position Reason P2803. Protection of potable water M2004. General M305.. Central Furnaces [working clearances]? I don t like it but the proponent is correct in that a water heater not supplying the potable water system is not a water heater by definition. Need to discuss.

7 ICC 205 Public Hearings Memphis, TN April 9-28, 205 Action IRC M09-5 Part III RM 5-5 IRC s Section Impacted Submitter(s) Position Reason M602.3 Air handler enclosures M503.4 Makeup air required Mike Moore Broan-Nu Tone/Newport Ventures RM 2-5 M506.3 RM 38-5 RM 39-5 RP 5-5 M2005. General and Prohibited locations [water heaters] M2006. General [gas pool heater] P280.6 Required pan [plastic pans under gas-fired water heater] Guy McMann - Jennifier Hatfield / APSP Kari Hebrank VizCO-US Overly restrictive. Would require circulating air for air movement equipment even where the fuel-fired appliance is direct vent or isolated from other equipment. Enclosure is not clearly defined and could apply to the entire building. Not technically clear in that a heat pump does not have circulating air. The current makeup air requirement appliance to any space whether there is fuel fire appliance installed or not. The makeup air for these high exhaust system not only impacts fuel-fire appliances, but other building performance issues, such as moisture infiltration into building wall cavities that may be caused by excessive negative building pressures. The proposed revision restricts the need for makeup air only to where fuel fire appliances are installed which ignores other crucial building performance issues. The proposal would eliminate the 3 ft exception for gravity air intake opening, operable windows, and doors. The exception would only apply to the mechanical intakes. The original exception applied to both types of air intakes. would be OK with exception is added back into new # 2. Proposed changes deal with non-gas fired water heaters. Gas-fired pool heater coverage is required to be in the IFGC. The proposal would be acceptable if modified to eliminate Gas-Fired pool heater coverage. Action IPC EB s Section Impacted Submitter(s) Position Reason

8 ICC 205 Public Hearings Memphis, TN April 9-28, 205 Action IPC EB s Section Impacted Submitter(s) Position Reason EB , 403., , 05. Carbon Monoxide EB (NEW), (NEW) Carbon Monoxide alarms Adolf Zubia IAFC Fire & Life Safety Section Jonathan Wilson - NCHH Requires CO alarms where in an existing building where an addition is made. References existing CO coverage. Watch discussion for misstatements regarding gas-fired appliances. Requires CO alarms in existing building in accordance with existing CO coverage. Watch discussion for misstatements regarding gasfired appliances.