1. Call to Order. Call meeting to order by Chair Chip Carson at 8:00 a.m. on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 at the DoubleTree Hotel, San Diego, California.

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1 AGENDA NFPA Technical Committee on Fundamentals NFPA 101 and NFPA 5000 Second Draft Meeting Wednesday, May 22, 2013 Thursday, May 23, 2013 DoubleTree Hotel San Diego Downtown 1646 Front Street San Diego, California 1. Call to Order. Call meeting to order by Chair Chip Carson at 8:00 a.m. on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 at the DoubleTree Hotel, San Diego, California. 2. Self-introduction of Committee Members and Guests. For a current committee roster, see pg Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes. Approve the May 23-24, 2012 meeting minutes, pg The New Process. See handouts from PowerPoint presentation, pg Definitions Task Group. See pg Hazardous Materials Task Group. See pg Multi Hazards Task Group. The task group consisting of Norm Groner Chair, Amy Cheng, Scott Laramee and Jake Pauls was retained on the agenda. 8. NFPA 101 Chapter 2 Reference to NFPA 400. See pg NFPA 101 Second Draft (formerly ROC) Preparation. Public Comments to be distributed before the meeting date. 10. NFPA 5000 Second Draft (formerly ROC) Preparation. Public Comments to be distributed before the meeting date. 11. Other Business. 12. Adjournment. Enclosures Page 1 of 21

2 Address List No Phone Fundamentals Safety to Life Wayne G. Carson Chair Carson Associates, Inc. 35 Horner Street, Suite 120 Warrenton, VA SE 1/1/1988 Ron Coté Secretary (Staff-Nonvoting) National Fire Protection Association 1 Batterymarch Park Quincy, MA /27/2013 Ron Coté 1/1/1991 Farid Alfawakhiri American Iron and Steel Institute 380 Cottonwood Lane Naperville, IL Alternate: Jonathan Humble M 7/23/2008 Andrew Blum Exponent, Inc Science Drive, Suite 200 Bowie, MD Alternate: Richard T. Long, Jr. SE 8/2/2010 Amy Y. Cheng E 10/23/2003 Clark County Department of Development Services Plans Examination Division 4701 West Russell Road Las Vegas, NV Salvatore DiCristina Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey 82 Street 1603, Livingston Campus Piscataway, NJ E 4/15/2004 Helen DiPietro North Carolina Department of Insurance Office of State Fire Marshal Mail Service Center 1202 Raleigh, NC Alternate: Robert A. Speed E 03/05/2012 Tod Doebler Menomonee Falls Fire Department W140 N7501 Lilly Road Menomonee Falls, WI International Fire Marshals Association E 03/05/2012 Robert J. Eugene UL LLC 121 Woodard Road Newport, WA RT 10/6/2000 David W. Frable US General Services Administration Public Buildings Service 665 Green Meadow Lane Geneva, IL U 10/27/2009 Marshall J. Gaubert Jefferson Parish Fire Department 6005 Ruth Street Metairie, LA E 10/20/2010 Michael O. Gencarelli US Department of the Navy NAVFAC HQ: Medical Facilities Design Office (MDFO) 1322 Patterson Avenue, Suite 1000 Washington, DC E 10/18/2011 Ralph D. Gerdes Ralph Gerdes Consultants, LLC 5510 South East Street, Suite E Indianapolis, IN American Institute of Architects SE 10/28/2008 Norman E. Groner John Jay College of Criminal Justice Department of Protection Management 445 West 59th Street Rm 3530N New York, NY SE 4/16/1999 Page 2 of 21 1

3 Address List No Phone Fundamentals Safety to Life Morgan J. Hurley Society of Fire Protection Engineers 7315 Wisconsin Avenue, Suite 620E Bethesda, MD U 10/10/1998 David J. Jacoby Simpson Gumpertz & Heger 19 West 34th Street, Suite 1000 New York, NY /27/2013 Ron Coté SE 7/14/2004 David P. Klein US Department of Veterans Affairs 810 Vermont Avenue, NW, Suite 800 Mail Code: (10NA8) Washington, DC U 4/1/1995 Scott T. Laramee Aon Fire Protection Engineering Corporation 5000 Executive Parkway, Suite 340 San Ramon, CA I 10/27/2009 James K. Lathrop Koffel Associates, Inc. 81 Pennsylvania Avenue Niantic, CT Alternate: Sharon S. Gilyeat SE 7/1/1995 Vickie J. Lovell InterCode Incorporated 200 NE 2nd Avenue, Suite 309 Delray Beach, FL Alliance for Fire & Smoke Containment & Control, Inc. M 08/09/2012 Jack McNamara Bosch Security Systems 130 Perinton Parkway Fairport, NY National Electrical Manufacturers Association Alternate: William P. Adams M 3/1/2011 Ricardo Murga US Department of Health & Human Services Phoenix Area Indian Health Service Two Renaissance Square 40 North Central Ave., Suite 720 Phoenix, AZ E 8/9/2011 Jake Pauls C 7/12/2001 Jake Pauls Consulting Services in Building Use & Safety Winexburg Manor Drive, Suite 201 Silver Spring, MD American Public Health Association Dennis L. Pitts American Wood Council 1721 West Plano Parkway, #224 Plano, TX American Forest & Paper Association Alternate: Rodney A. McPhee M 10/27/2009 Milosh T. Puchovsky Worcester Polytechnic Institute Department of Fire Protection Engineering 100 Institute Road Worcester, MA SE 8/5/2009 Rodger Reiswig Tyco/SimplexGrinnell 3640 Haddington Court Apopka, FL Automatic Fire Alarm Association, Inc. Alternate: Thomas P. Hammerberg M 3/2/2010 Patrick S. Saba Hewlett Packard Company 1707 Ritchie Highway Annapolis, MD M 3/1/2011 Victoria B. Valentine National Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc. 40 Jon Barrett Road Patterson, NY Alternate: Jeffrey M. Hugo M 10/23/2003 Page 3 of 21 2

4 Address List No Phone Fundamentals Safety to Life Steven F. Wydeveld Wydeveld Construction & Consulting, Inc South Saddle Creek Drive Manhattan, IL SE 10/23/2003 William P. Adams Alternate Apollo America 2479 Peachtree Road NE, Unit 1101 Atlanta, GA National Electrical Manufacturers Association : Jack McNamara 03/27/2013 Ron Coté M 3/1/2011 Sharon S. Gilyeat Alternate Koffel Associates, Inc Centre Park Drive, Suite 200 Columbia, MD : James K. Lathrop SE 10/20/2010 Thomas P. Hammerberg Alternate Automatic Fire Alarm Association, Inc. 14 Sammy McGhee Boulevard, #103 PO Box 1569 Jasper, GA Automatic Fire Alarm Association, Inc. : Rodger Reiswig M 3/2/2010 Jeffrey M. Hugo Alternate National Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc West Borton Road Essexville, MI National Fire Sprinkler Association : Victoria B. Valentine M 03/07/2013 Jonathan Humble Alternate American Iron and Steel Institute 45 South Main Street, Suite 312 West Hartford, CT American Iron and Steel Institute : Farid Alfawakhiri M 03/05/2012 Richard T. Long, Jr. Alternate Exponent, Inc Science Drive, Suite 200 Bowie, MD : Andrew Blum SE 10/18/2011 Rodney A. McPhee Alternate Canadian Wood Council 99 Bank Street, Suite 400 Ottawa, ON K1P 6B9 Canada American Forest & Paper Association : Dennis L. Pitts M 10/6/2000 Robert A. Speed E 10/29/2012 Alternate North Carolina Office of the State Fire Marshal Engineering Division, Evaluation Services Section 322 Chapanoke Road Raleigh, NC : Helen DiPietro Pichaya Chantranuwat Nonvoting Member Fusion Consultants Co. Ltd/Thailand 81/55 Soi Phumijit, Rama 4 Road Prakanong, Klontoey Bangkok, Thailand SE 1/18/2001 Steven Orlowski Nonvoting Member National Association of Home Builders th Street, NW Washington, DC U 10/18/2011 Ron Coté Staff Liaison National Fire Protection Association 1 Batterymarch Park Quincy, MA /1/1991 Page 4 of 21 3

5 NFPA Technical Committee on Fundamentals NFPA 101 and NPFA 5000 FIRST DRAFT MEETING MINUTES Wednesday-Thursday, May 23-24, 2012 Indianapolis Convention Center Indianapolis, IN 1. Call to Order. The meeting was called to order by Chair Chip Carson at 8:00 a.m. on May 23, 2012 at the Indianapolis Convention Center, Indianapolis, IN. 2. Introduction of Committee Members and Guests. TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT NAME Wayne Chip Carson, Chair Ron Cote, Secretary Nonvoting William Adams Alt. to Jack McNamara Andrew Blum, Amy Cheng, Salvatore DiCristina, Tod Doebler, Voting Alternate to IFMA Rep. Helen DiPietro, Joshua Elvove, Robert Eugene, Ralph Gerdes, Norman Groner, Jonathan Humble Alt. to Farid Alfawakhiri Morgan Hurley, David Klein, Scott Laramee, James Lathrop, Jack McNamara, Ricardo Murga, Steven Orlowski, Nonvoting Member COMPANY Carson Associates, Inc. National Fire Protection Association Apollo America Rep: National Electrical Manufacturers Assn. Exponent, Inc. Clark County Department of Development Services Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey Menomonsee Falls Fire Department Rep: International Fire Marshals Association North Carolina Department of Insurance US General Services Administration UL LLC Ralph Gerdes Consultants, LLC Rep: American Institute of Architects John Jay College of Criminal Justice American Iron and Steel Institute Society of Fire Protection Engineers US Department of Veterans Affairs Aon Fire Protection Engineering Corporation Koffel Associates, Inc. Bosch Security Systems Rep: National Electrical Manufacturers Assn. US Department of Health & Human Services National Association of Home Builders BLD/SAF FUN FIRST DRAFT Meeting Minutes / Page 1 Page 5 of 21

6 Jake Pauls, Dennis Pitts, Milosh Puchovsky, Rodger Reiswig, Jake Pauls Consulting Services in Building Use & Safety Rep: American Public Health Association American Wood Council Rep: American Forest & Paper Association Worcester Polytechnic Institute Tyco/SimplexGrinnell Rep: Automatic Fire Alarm Association, Inc. GUESTS NAME Allan Fraser Tracy Golinveaux Robert Harmeyer Jonathan Hart Jeff Hugo Shelley Siegel, FASID Robert Solomon Robert A. Speed COMPANY NFPA NFPA NFPA TC on Health Care Occupancies NFPA National Fire Sprinkler Association American Society of Interior Designers NFPA NC Department of Insurance TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS NOT PRESENT NAME Michael Ashley, Voting Alternate to AFSCC Rep. Marshall Gaubert, Michael Gencarelli, Patrick Saba, Stephen Skalko, Victoria Valentine, Steven Wydeveld, COMPANY Alliance for Fire & Smoke Containment & Control Jefferson Parish Fire Department US Department of the Navy Hewlett Packard Company Portland Cement Association National Fire Sprinkler Association Inc. Wydeveid Construction & Consulting Inc. 3. Approval of Prior Meeting Minutes. The October 6, 2010 meeting minutes were approved as written and distributed. 4. The New Process Review. The new process was reviewed and then used throughout the meeting to address Public Input and generate First Revisions. 5. Multi Hazards (other than fire) Task Group Report. The task group reported. Task group to be retained on agenda. [Norm Groner Chair, Amy Cheng, Scott Laramee and Jake Pauls]. 6. Correlating Committee Wish List for 2015 Editions. The list, as received from the Correlating Committees, was reviewed. First revisions were created relative to updating annex text and permitting an occupancy separation to be created by an atrium. BLD/SAF FUN FIRST DRAFT Meeting Minutes / Page 2 Page 6 of 21

7 7. NFPA 5000 Changes Needed for Correlation with NFPA 101. Needed First revisions created. 8. NFPA 101 First Draft (formerly ROP) Preparation. First Draft preparation done with Public Inputs answered and First Revisions created. 9. NFPA 5000 First Draft (formerly ROP) Preparation. First Draft preparation done with Public Inputs answered and First Revisions created. 10. Other Business. Norm Groner agreed to draft requests, for Chair Carson s consideration and official submittal, to Fire Protection Research Foundation for research on people movement and multi-hazards issues. 11. Future Meeting. The committee s Second Draft preparation meeting is tentatively scheduled for the week of May 20-23, Adjournment. On Wednesday, May 23 the meeting was recessed at 5:00 p.m. On Thursday, May 24 the meeting was reconvened at 8:00 a.m. and adjourned at 12:00 p.m. BLD/SAF FUN FIRST DRAFT Meeting Minutes / Page 3 Page 7 of 21

8 NFPA 101/5000 FUNDAMENTALS COMMITTEE May 22-23, 2013 San Diego, CA 1 At this and all NFPA committee meetings we are concerned with your safety If the fire alarm sounds, please proceed to an exit 2 Members, please verify/update your contact information Use of tape recorders or other means capable of reproducing verbatim transcriptions of this meeting is not permitted 3 Page 8 of 21 1

9 Guests All guests are asked to sign in and identify their affiliations Participation is limited to TC members or those individuals who have previously requested time to address the committee Other participation is granted at the discretion of the Chair Guest seating is located around the room 4 Members categorized in ANY interest category who have been retained to represent the interests of ANOTHER interest category must declare those interests to the committee and refrain from voting, both in the meeting and on the ballot item 5 General Procedures Follow Robert s Rules of Order Discussion i requires a motion 6 Page 9 of 21 2

10 Motions for Ending Debate - Move Previous Question or Call the Question Not in order when another has the floor Requires a second This motion is not debatable and does not automatically stop debate A 2/3 affirmative vote immediately closes debate and returns to the original motion on the floor Less then 2/3 allows debate to continue 7 Committee member actions: Member addresses the chair Receives recognition from the chair Introduces the motion Another member seconds the motion 8 Committee chair actions: States the motion Calls for discussion Ensures all issues have been heard Takes the vote Announces the result of the vote 9 Page 10 of 21 3

11 Technical Committee on Fundamentals Consumer, 1 Member: 4% Enforcer, 7 Members: 25% Insurance, 1 Member: 4% Manufacturer, 7 Members: 25% Research & Testing, 1 Member: 4% Special Expert, 8 Members: 29% User, 3 Members: 11% Installer/Maintainer, 0 Members: 0% Labor, 0 Members: 0% 10 Timeline Comment Stage (Second Draft): Public Comment Closing Date: 05/03/2013 Second Draft Meeting: Today Posting of Second Draft for TC Balloting: 08/23/2013 Posting of Second Draft for NITMAM: 01/03/2014 Tech Session Preparation: NITMAM Closing Date: 02/07/2014 NITMAM /CAM Posting Date: 04/04/2014 NFPA Annual Meeting: 06/09-12/2014 (Las Vegas) Standards Council Issuance: Issuance of Documents with CAM: 08/14/2014 edition date 11 New Process What s New? New Term Comment Stage Public Comment Second Draft Meeting Second Revision Committee Comment (a Second Revision that failed ballot) Second Draft Report Second Draft Changes in Terms: Old Term ROC Stage Public Comment ROC Meeting Committee Comment or Accepted Public Comment (a Comment reported as Rejected due to failed ballot) ROC ROC Draft 12 Page 11 of 21 4

12 Technical Committee Actions: Resolving Public Comments Committee Action and Committee Statement Creating Second Revisions Resolving Public Comments (See Regs ) Committee develops a Committee Action Accept Reject but see Reject Reject but Hold 15 Page 12 of 21 5

13 Committee Statements Committee must clearly indicate reasons for not accepting the recommendation and/or point to a relevant Second Revision All Public Comments Actions must have a Committee Statement Must include a valid technical reason No vague references to intent Explain how the submitter s substantiation is inadequate Neither Public Comment Actions nor Committee Statements get balloted 16 Create a Second Revision (SR) Committee wants to make a change (to add, delete or modify) the First Draft Committee develops a Committee Statement (CS) substantiating the change Each SR gets balloted 17 No new material after the Public Input Stage since it hasn t had the benefit of public review What constitutes new material is decided by the Technical Committee or Correlating Committee Adding new material at the Comment Stage could successfully be challenged through appeal to the Standards Council 18 Page 13 of 21 6

14 Formal voting Voting during meeting is used to establish a sense of agreement (simple majority) Secured by letter ballot (2/3 agreement) Only the results of the formal ballot determine the official position of the committee on the Second Draft 19 Ballots are on the Second Revisions (SR) ONLY Public Comment Actions and Committee Statements not balloted Reference materials are available - Second Draft, Public Comments, First Draft Report Ballot form allows you to vote: Affirmative on all SR Affirmative on all SR with exceptions specifically noted Ballot form provides a column for affirmative with comment Note: This box needs to be checked only if there is an accompanying comment Reject or abstain requires a reason 20 Initial ballot Circulation of negatives and comments Members may change votes during circulation Second Revision that fails letter ballot is designated as a Committee Comment (in the 2 nd Draft Report), marked as Reject and deleted from the Second Draft. 21 Page 14 of 21 7

15 If a Second Revision fails ballot and the subject text was a result of a First Draft change, a Supplementary Ballot is conducted Ballot asks TC if it still favors the First Revision change reported in the First Draft If Yes, same change appears as Second Revision and is shown in the Second Draft If No, the change appears as a Committee Comment (rejected) and the Second Draft text reverts to previous edition See Regs Electronic Balloting Ballots will be an online format Alternates are strongly encouraged to return ballots Ballot session will time out after 90 minutes Use submit to save your work 23 Electronic Balloting Click link on the ballot received Sign in with NFPA.org Committee Login and Password 24 Page 15 of 21 8

16 Electronic Balloting Select either Affirmative on All or Affirmative with Exception(s) 25 Electronic Balloting Choosing AFFIRMATIVE ON ALL Use See FR/SR - # link to review all First/Second Revisions Use Edit election to change individual votes or to modify vote after submitting ballot 26 Electronic Balloting Choosing AFFIRMATIVE WITH EXCEPTION(S) Make selection: Affirmative with Comment, Negative, or Abstain No selection made-defaults to affirmative Must include comment on each vote 27 Page 16 of 21 9

17 Electronic Balloting To complete ballot click Participant Consent and Submit Return and edit any votes before ballot due date 28 TC Struggles with an Issue TC needs data on a new technology or emerging issue Two opposing views on an issue with no real data Data presented is not trusted by committee Code Fund Lends a Hand TC rep and/or staff liaison submits a Code Fund Request Requests are reviewed by a Panel and chosen based on need / feasibility Research Project Carried Out Funding for project is provided by the Code Fund and/or industry sponsors Project is completed and data is available to TC 29 Legal Antitrust: the single most important provision- Federal law prohibits contracts, combinations, or conspiracies which unreasonably restrain trade or commerce Section 1 of the Sherman Act Patent: Disclosures of essential patent claims should be made by the patent holder, but others may also notify NFPA if they believe that a proposed or existing NFPA standard includes an essential patent claim 30 Page 17 of 21 10

18 Legal Activities Disapproved by the Courts Packing meetings Hiding commercial interest throwing the committees out of balance No final decision-making authority to unbalanced Task Groups; include all interested parties Hiding scientific or technical information from committees 31 Doc Info Pages Document Information Document scope Current/Previous Edition information Issued TIAs, FIs and Errata Archived revision information Standard Council Decisions Articles and Reports Read only document Next Edition Submit Public Input/Comments via Electronic Submission System. Meetings and Ballots ROP/ROC or First Draft Report and Second Draft Report NITMAM and Standard Council Decisions Private TC info Ballot circulations, informational ballots and other committee info Technical Committee Committee name, responsibility and scope Staff liaison Committee list Private committee contact information Current committee documents in PDF format Committees seeking members and committee online application 32 Any questions? 33 Page 18 of 21 11

19 Cote, Ron From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject: Cote, Ron Wednesday, November 21, :33 PM Bigda, Kristin; Harrington, Greg; Fraser, Allan; Vecchiarelli, Tracy Solomon, Robert SAF Agenda Item for Second Draft Meetings Please add the subject of Definitions to each SAF/BLD technical committee Second Draft meeting agenda for which you serve as staff liaison. Each Technical Committee chair is asked to identify a member to serve on the definitions task group. The Minutes item from the SAF-AAC Correlating Committee s November 6, 2012 meeting follows: Definitions. The committee agreed to have each defined term assigned to a specific technical committee so that committee would have responsibility for the maintenance and revision of such term. A task group is to be formed after the Second Draft meetings of the current revision cycle. The task group will report to the Correlating Committee (CC) its recommendations for the definitions assignments in time for the CC to review the recommendations at its first meeting of the 2018 revision cycle. Each Technical Committee chair is asked to identify a member to serve on the task group. Allan and Tracy, the BLD-AAC Correlating Committee asked that same be done by the NFPA 5000 TCs. Ron Coté, P.E. Life Safety Engineer NFPA - Quincy, MA USA 1 Page 19 of 21

20 Cote, Ron From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject: Cote, Ron Wednesday, November 21, :43 PM Bigda, Kristin; Harrington, Greg; Fraser, Allan; Vecchiarelli, Tracy Solomon, Robert Hazardous Materials - Agenda Item Please add the subject of Hazardous Areas to each SAF/BLD technical committee Second Draft meeting agenda for which you serve as staff liaison. Each Technical Committee is asked to decide whether it wants to participate in a task group on the subject of hazardous materials. The Minutes item from the SAF-AAC Correlating Committee s November 6, 2012 meeting follows: Hazardous Materials. Jeff Tubbs raised the issue of whether NFPA 101 should address hazardous materials (as done in NFPA 5000 Chapter 34). The committee noted that health hazards are not within the scope of NFPA 101. Conflicts exist among the NFPA codes. It was agreed to: o Add the subject of hazardous materials to the agenda for all NFPA 101 technical committee Second Draft meetings o Gather comments from each technical committee including whether it wants to participate in a task group on the subject of hazardous materials o Report results to the Correlating Committee at its Second Draft review meeting o Ask the Standards Council, after the Correlating Committee s Second Draft meeting, to establish a task group from the membership of the NFPA 1, 30, 101, 400 and 5000 committees to address conflicts and overlapping requirements related to hazardous materials Allan and Tracy, the BLD-AAC Correlating Committee asked that same be done by the NFPA 5000 TCs. Ron Coté, P.E. Life Safety Engineer NFPA - Quincy, MA USA 1 Page 20 of 21

21 Cote, Ron From: Cote, Ron Sent: Wednesday, March 13, :07 AM To: Dolan, James Subject: RE: NFPA Editorial error. I ll make a note to get the NFPA 400 reference added to Chapter 2 via the new Terra system during the 2 nd draft meetings so the same mistake doesn t happen for the 2015 edition. Relative to the 2012 edition, it s easy to explain that it is NFPA policy to cite the NFPA referenced publication edition as the most current available when NFPA went to press. That means that NFPA is what is intended. Luckily NFPA 400 s full title, and not just the number, appears in 36/ Thanks for reporting the error. Ron Coté, P.E. Life Safety Engineer NFPA - Quincy, MA USA From: Dolan, James Sent: Tuesday, March 12, :16 PM To: Cote, Ron Subject: NFPA Hi Ron, We reference NFPA 400 in chapter 36 see below, but the document is not listed in chapter Storage, Arrangement, Protection, and Quantities of Hazardous Commodities. The storage, arrangement, protection, and quantities of hazardous commodities shall be in accordance with the applicable provisions of the following: (1) The fire code (see ) (2) NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems (3) NFPA 30, Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code (4) NFPA 30B, Code for the Manufacture and Storage of Aerosol Products (5) NFPA 400, Hazardous Materials Code, Chapter 14, for organic peroxide formulations (6) NFPA 400, Hazardous Materials Code, Chapter 15, for oxidizer solids and liquids (7) NFPA 400, Hazardous Materials Code, various chapters, depending on characteristics of a particular pesticide (8) NFPA1124, Code for the Manufacture, Transportation, Storage, and Retail Sales of Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles Detection, Alarm, and Communications Systems. Thanks. Jim Dolan NFPA Page 21 of 21